With the day that was in it, I visited Belfast City Hall yesterday. Myself and my friend parked in a street at the rear of the building and made our way to the front door. As we turned to go in, we saw the front gates decorated by the presence of some flag protestors, complete with Union flags. I’m not sure if this was in protest over the flying of the flag on designated days (as it happens, the Union flag was flying yesterday, St Patrick’s Day being one of those days) or in protest at all the Irishness going on inside. But they did look a lonely little knot, with almost more police than protestors.
We made our way upstairs where we were offered free shamrock – we were already decorated – and into a hall filled with talk. Much of the talk was in Irish, mingling with the music onstage and the chat and laughter throughout the hall..The Lord Mayor was there but mostly it was ordinary people – Belfast people who were happy being Irish, happily enjoying the music, the craic, the cup of tea and the tiny bits of iced dainty. The room, in short, held everything that the unfortunate people at the front gates lacked.
What would have happened, I wonder, if instead of standing at the gates with their flags, the protestors had set down their poles and come inside? I suspect they’d have been greeted warmly and they would have felt like people who’d crashed through some invisible barrier and found themselves in a new world of music and companionship. And the fact that they were Protestants/unionists wouldn’t have mattered a damn – I saw at least one Church of Ireland clergyman, complete with dog-collar, enjoying the festivities.
There’s a bit in the Bible about a man who discovers a pearl and goes off and sells everything he has so he can come into possession of that pearl. (My apologies if I’ve screwed that story up – I’m not a Bible scholar.) I feel convinced that many unionists/Protestants are unaware or choose to be unaware of this precious pearl -Irish culture – that is theirs for the taking. All they need do is push open the door and become engulfed in the happy hubbub of a more open, relaxed world. How much more sensible that would be than to loiter sulking at the gates, fearg le dearg, – red with rage – brooding resentfully over the idea that fenians were inside their City Hall, having a good time.
Brutish Loyalists and cruel English what a happy little world Jude lives in…perhaps the real reason unionists dont appreciate Irish culture is because thay are not interested in it full stop?
I don’t think I mentioned the English, much less called them ‘cruel’, Neill. ‘Happy little world’? Yes, I’m reasonably happy but I don’t think my world is particularly small. I think your last statement is exactly the point I was trying to make. And it’s such a pity.
Not a pity at all its called free choice I am far more interested in the culture of the middle east and north africa simply because it interests me Irish culture largely doesnt thats my choice but if other people are interested in Irish culture fire away and enjoy it
‘A journey can become a sacred thing./Make sure, before you go,/to take the time/To bless your going forth,/To free your heart of ballast/So that the compass of your soul/Might direct you towards/The territories of spirit/Where you will discover/Most of your hidden life;/And the urgencies/That deserve to claim you’. John O’Donohue
The Irish exported Halloween to the rest of the world, but imported St. Patrick’s day in it’s present form from America.
Neil:
What’s going on here ? Jude offers the hand of friendship and you slap it away like some poisoned cup.
He’s not taking anything away from you , he simply wants to give you something more than you have….like inviting you to a party that you might enjoy.I too love various cultures throughout the planet…even English , welsh and Scottish cultures, but I’ve no problem with the fact of life that I was born an Irishman in Ireland, that little island just there on the edge of the known universe.
Jude is right on this one, Neil. He’s offering you a gift that might enrich what you already have and add to your pleasure in life .He’s not trying to take anything away .
It’s like turning you on to a great piece of music by some fine band or a book you mightn’t have read before.
Mind you, i could never get my once- infant daughter to eat peas….The cry “No peas!” has become a family legend…
If Jude was offering me the hand of friendship i would want to know what he was doing with the other hand….
Joking aside i dont disagree it was a generous offer however it just doesnt float my boat.
But if makes people happy fire away!
Neill
I can understand your frustration. You won’t see many posts here expressing anything positive about any unionist, or indeed anything critical about Sinn Fein.
Jude will even go off to Ukraine for a tenuous parallel.
But, as he often points out that is his prerogative and none of us have to read it.
Best to debate what he puts up rather than lament what he doesn’t.
And unfortunately loyalists and unionists give him plenty of ammunition.
Flags, Orange parades, bonfire night, paramilitaries still not gone away, hypocritical politicians etc etc.
neill if Irish culture doesn’t interest you, what are you doing on this site?
Or are you just being a prick!
The unfortunate thing about this part of the island is that these people at the gate are not willing to take Neill’s more enlightened view that “whatever floats your boat, it’s just not for me” and allow others to celebrate what gives them a sense of fulfilment and enjoyment. The attitude is “I don’t like it, so you can’t have it” and this comes from the previous status quo of the failed, discredited Unionist administration which allowed these thuggish views to be enforced but a Police/ security service not unlike that in the present Crimea or alternatively by a good beating by some of the local goons for getting above your station! And the Unionist party think Nationalist have a hankering for the good old days? The influence of the goons and their hate supporters is soon to be relegated to the past where it rightly belongs!
Come on Neill forget about your boat how about a free ride on our float next year?
According to today’s VO, the photographer shown above was heckled, abused and finally head-butted, leaving his shirt blood-bespattered, when he came out of City Hall. Do I need to tell you who by?
Didn’t see the VO myself but the Belfast Telegraph gave an account of the the flag people and the resulting chaos. Apparently they had to read the riot act and there were lots of people injured not to mention terrified shoppers. You were lucky that you didn’t get caught up in it.
Sorry Jude, it appears now it was unprotesting ants with the flags but I’m colorblind and American so I can’t tell one ant from the other.
I have often wondered why it is some Protestants are constantly taking to the streets to complain about things they disagree with. Then it finally dawned on me. They are called PROTESTants. Still protesting after all these years.
And we were thinking that you no longer read the Irish News on principle, Jude!
Sometimes, A, – very rarely – there’s something I want to see. Immediately afterwards I scrub myself from head to toe…
I agree with you Dr C, unionists should participate more but I think more do than what you give credit for.
However, how sensitively handled would you say the St Patrick’s day celebrations are?
Would a Catholic or nationalist feel particularly comfortable at the St Patrick’s day parade in Ballymena?
How then do you think Protestants and unionists feel in the rest of the parades and celebrations that have a predominantly green, white and orange theme?
(yes, both questions are rhetorical)
If you truly want St Pat’s day to be for all then there’s a few things that have to be ‘accommodated’ and the downplaying of the tricolour is one of them.
Yes, most people on the island like the tricolour and want it to be the flag of a unified state.
But it’s not.
So surely sensitivity and commonsense demands that we encourage more neutral symbols?
The golden harp on a green (or blue) background has represented Irish people across the globe for centuries.
It was around before anyone had ever thought of the tricolour.
There’s being Irish and there’s being the type of Irish that we have in our heads.
They’re not necessarily compatible.
If we want it for ALL Irishmen then we should try to include all Irishmen.
That means not putting obstacles in their way.
I was at a St Pat’s do in an Irish bar down here in Oz.
The barman was a Protestant from my village (and a talented flutist/fifer in the loyalist band scene back in the day), one of my mates is a southerner with a Protestant Ballymena father, the other a posh Dubliner with OO skeletons in his wardrobe and the last a Rangers fan from Glasgow.
Yes, we had a blast, but the truth is, with all the tricolours and occasional ‘rebel banter’ I’d feel more comfortable at a Scottish celebration like Burn’s night.
THAT’s my fellow Irishmen making me feel like that.
So, how do we make it better?
Well put as usual, AG. I agree – since the tricolour is divisive – just like the Union flag – both should be folded carefully and put in the press above the hot tank. Then one – I mean two major impediments to our coming together would have been removed.
Btw – I nearly misread your third-last par – thought it said ‘the last Ranger fan in Glasgow’. My mistake…:)
ADDITIONAL:
Actually, hats off to Armagh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNF7ddb74vI
Less tricolours, more Darth Vaders! Brilliant!
That is funny! Humor, the ultimate weapon.