Freddie Scappaticci redux

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Wow. And there are still people who don’t believe in spooks. Freddie Scappatacci aka (allegedly) Stakeknife, the man who (allegedly) led the IRA’s internal unit to winkle out informers and punish them accordingly, is now to be questioned about up to 20 killings. So says Barra McGrory, the Director of Public Prosecutions. Mark Thompson of the Committee on the Administration of Justice says it could be more like 40.

Freddie is interesting for a number of reasons. If you recall his famous appearance on TV after being outed, where his solicitor read a statement denying that he was Stakeknife or anything like that, he was one very anxious man. Why was he anxious? After all, the police or the British authorities didn’t arrest him, and he must have known they weren’t going to arrest him. So why was he so on edge?

Because he, of all people, knew what happened in the IRA to touts/spies/double agents: they got killed.

Question: how or why was it that, in 2003, Scappaticci was outed? It’s hard to know. Perhaps to discredit the entire IRA campaign in the eyes of republicans. Perhaps to reveal the truth about the past. Perhaps – could it be?- so that republicans, or relatives of those alleged to have been tortured and killed by Scappaticci and his ‘nutting’ squad, would kill him.

If that had happened, it would have been convenient for his British handlers: dead men tell no tales. There are those who believe that is precisely why he was outed. But he wasn’t killed. And now he’s resurfaced, or that’s the expectation. I’d imagine that Freddie himself was expecting that his British handlers would give him a new life and that he would be left to live out his days in peace.

Another expectation is that there will be revelations showing his British handlers were complicit in the deaths of many people – as I say, somewhere between 20 and 40 – and that those handlers were taking orders from very high up the British security food chain.

Will all now be revealed? Will the trail of deception and betrayal and killing lead to senior figures in British political life at the time? The optimistic part of me wants to say Yes, this time the truth about the dirty war will out, and the myth of IRA-bad/British -‘security’- forces -good will be shattered for keeps. The realistic part of me says it’ll be a re-run of Bloody Sunday: much wringing of hands, fingers of accusation pointed at some lower ranks, followed by a full and frank apology. Agus sin é – and that’ll be it. Because to reveal the truth of British ruthlessness during the dirty war would disrupt the accepted narrative of good and evil during those years. And that would open up a vista beyond appalling. And that won’t happen.

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65 Responses to Freddie Scappaticci redux

  1. Iolar October 22, 2015 at 11:03 am #

    A bit of cultural diversity is hard to beat. It is good to see Manuel being harangued on the hill. He clearly had trouble with a steak knife though “NOBODY expected the Spanish Inquisition.” The influence of Cardinal Ximénez is evident in the intellectual challenge posed in a contemporary DUP cliché,

    “We will hold their soles to the heat of the fire…”

    Cardinal Ximénez was also partial to a bit of torture, seems like shades of Ballykelly and Castlereagh are creeping into the lexicon of the DUP, again.

    All that is missing from the script now is, One Direction’s lyrics for “Na, Na, Na,” in the background to enhance the mantra,

    “Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as holding our noses, contorting our faces, frequent expressions of repressed anger and petitions of concern”

    There are enough repeats on television without a 2015 version of Fawlty Towers. What will it be next, the return of ‘Dixon of Dock Green’? Those of a certain vintage will recall the series from the good old days when parks were locked on the Sabbath. It was broadcast just before the RUC escorted the Sons of Ulster to Burntollet Bridge.

  2. Gavin October 22, 2015 at 11:15 am #

    Bang on Jude!

    The scope I fear is bigger than that.. It really isn’t any big secret how the British security services acted during the troubles of recent and indeed historical times. The controlled media have had no issues in blacking out any negative bad press against the British, don’t hold your breath on any big revelations in the near or distant future.

    Dublin, the Republic state have to be well well aware of these very facts.. what do they ever do about it? It really does leave a bad taste, and makes you wonder even about the legitimacy of the Irish Republic and it’s dna and origins.

    People need to start to view the ocupation the way it is and not how it gets played out in the mainstream media. There’s hope at the end of the tunnel no doubt, but Republicans aspirations need to strengthen in order to get a strategy that can start holding London and Dublin to account.

    • jessica October 22, 2015 at 12:14 pm #

      “Dublin, the Republic state have to be well well aware of these very facts.. what do they ever do about it? It really does leave a bad taste, and makes you wonder even about the legitimacy of the Irish Republic and it’s dna and origins. ”

      Well said Gavin.

      Why does Dublin help cover up or turn a blind eye to the truth of what happened to so many Irish citizens on this island and within the boundaries of the Irish constitution?
      It has corruption at its core and the parties there have not fulfilled the ethos of the republic for party political reasons, bribery and financial gain though will hypocritically commemorate it next year.

      Do you think Paisley was right when he said the free state armed the provos in the early 70s.

  3. philip kelly October 22, 2015 at 11:15 am #

    we wont be waiting for kenny or the free state to ask the questions

  4. ANOTHER JUDE October 22, 2015 at 12:08 pm #

    The spooks were probably hoping Freddie would buy himself a little cottage in Donegal and wait for the inevitable knock on the door before being sent to his maker via a double barreled blast. Expect him to meet with a freak yachting accident.Or maybe stuffed in a zipped up hold all, a very common method of suicide by all accounts.

    • Sherdy October 22, 2015 at 3:05 pm #

      I believe there are some high cliffs around Montecassino!

  5. Jim Neeson October 22, 2015 at 12:09 pm #

    It will never fully come out. I would like it ,as I am the eternal optimistbut doubt it. If we could get these Free State electionsout of the road and SF frighten the shit out of FG FF and Labour then maybe !!! As for here well enough said

  6. RJC October 22, 2015 at 12:16 pm #

    So this British state that is now at the heart of investigations into ruthless state-run killers – would this be the same British state who have just authored a report outlining perceived Republican paramilitary structures? The report that seems to have been taken as gospel by certain politicians on both sides of the border? You couldn’t make this stuff up…

  7. Séamus Ó Néill October 22, 2015 at 12:16 pm #

    One would imagine that no matter how well reinforced the proverbial dam was ,the continual backup of incriminating evidence would eventually force something through….the smallest hairline crack would become a torrent. Unfortunately ,with redacted papers , ” in the interest of national security “, etc etc and the inability of the English establishment to recognize or even understand truth or justice this all seems a forlorn hope. I have always steadfastly maintained that England has to keep Unionist paramilitaries sweet because that’s their achilles heel …..they are notorious druggies and are infamous for infighting …they always had a very loose command structure ,with even looser tongues. If gaol loomed , they would squeal to the high heavens and if ,initially , only minor establishment heads were to roll ,the saving of ones own skin syndrome could be the catalyst needed. Therefore the coffers will never empty ,they only have to put their hand out if the funds are low……but honour among thieves doesn’t exist….jealousy is a divisive tool…..light may still shine in dark corners

  8. neill October 22, 2015 at 12:28 pm #

    Jude you really are desperate to make the IRA good guys it literally seeps through you and all you write hopefully your opinion in time will be rejected.

    Because to reveal the truth of British ruthlessness during the dirty war would disrupt the accepted narrative of good and evil during those years. And that would open up a vista beyond appalling. And that won’t happen.

    So let me get this straight you have a problem with the British state being ruthless taken on Republicanism but make no mention of the IRA`s ruthlessness however in your eyes the IRA were pure freedom fighters who didn’t bomb indescrimately or take part in sectarian killings?

    • Jude Collins October 22, 2015 at 1:54 pm #

      Oh neill – do try to keep up. I wouldn’t for a moment say the IRA wasn’t guilty of atrocities. Of course it was. What I am saying is that the British forces as peace-keepers, the thin blue line, those who fought honourably and kept us all safe – as I say the bad-IRA/good-RUC/UDR/British-army narrative is one that officialdom will go to any ends to maintain. And it appears to have worked with you. I hope not but I fear it has.

      • neill October 22, 2015 at 2:09 pm #

        as I say the bad-IRA/good-RUC/UDR/British-army narrative is one that officialdom will go to any ends to maintain. And it appears to have worked with you. I hope not but I fear it has.

        That’s a bit rich coming from a man who accepts the republican narrative of what happened here without any difficulty.

        • Jude Collins October 22, 2015 at 2:14 pm #

          Oh neill, neill, neill. I’ve just said I accept that republicans in the form of the IRA did some terrible things during the conflict. But I have yet to hear you (or the great majority of unionists) concede that the ‘security forces’ were other than whiter-than-white peace-keepers. Come on, neill, cough it up. You’ll feel better afterwards, I promise…

          • Ryan October 22, 2015 at 2:53 pm #

            I sense the “Few bad apples in the barrel” theory coming along from Neill, concerning the “security” forces……

          • Jude Collins October 22, 2015 at 5:46 pm #

            I think aRon beat him to it, Ryan…

          • aRon October 22, 2015 at 2:59 pm #

            ack no, not more political policing….can we not go one day?

            I would say Jude that it is not for the Unionist people to concede or apologise for the wrong doing of the “bad eggs” of the security forces.

            The British Security Forces have got themselves into a pickle but do you think it lessens the message of the IRA, now knowing that they were unwittingly working hand in hand with the enemy?

          • Jude Collins October 22, 2015 at 5:46 pm #

            Well I do like your basic assumption of the bad eggs/bad apples – chaps doing a solo run, you see. ‘The message of the IRA’? I’m afraid you’ve lost me there, aRon. Message, message, message….Nope. Can’t figure it out, I’m afraid.

          • James October 22, 2015 at 5:48 pm #

            Jude my friend; I believe that you’re just wasting your time. He’s clearly from the Wullie Frazer school of thought.

          • aRon October 22, 2015 at 6:16 pm #

            Jude, would you accept that it is not for the Unionist people to concede or apologise for the wrong doing of the security forces?

            Ok, less of a message but a campaign. The IRA or Freedom Fighters if you will, were fighting hand in hand with the very people they sought freedom from. Does this demean or lessen their campaign or only highlight further that we need rid of the British?

            Yes James, disagree with Jude and you get lumped in with Wullie Frazer. I’d like to think that disagreeing with Jude only allows me to further continued membership of society.

          • Jude Collins October 22, 2015 at 10:17 pm #

            I dunno what your last sentence mean, aRon. Seriously. Do you? As for “Jude, would you accept that it is not for the Unionist people to concede or apologise for the wrong doing of the security forces?” – you bet I wouldn’t.

          • jessica October 22, 2015 at 11:00 pm #

            “Jude, would you accept that it is not for the Unionist people to concede or apologise for the wrong doing of the security forces?”

            Who asked for unionists to apologise for anything?

            “Ok, less of a message but a campaign. The IRA or Freedom Fighters if you will, were fighting hand in hand with the very people they sought freedom from. Does this demean or lessen their campaign or only highlight further that we need rid of the British?”

            Where do you get this stuff from aRon?

            I get you are too young to have seen or understand what happened first hand, but you are on another planet. Honestly.

            You do not have an absolute baldy what you are talking about.

          • aRon October 23, 2015 at 4:03 am #

            Jude, what then did you mean when you said:

            “I have yet to hear you (or the great majority of unionists) concede that the ‘security forces’ were other than whiter-than-white peace-keepers. ”

            The IRA or Freedom Fighters if you will, were fighting hand in hand with the very people they sought freedom from. Does this demean or lessen their campaign or only highlight further that we need rid of the British?

        • jessica October 22, 2015 at 3:00 pm #

          “That’s a bit rich coming from a man who accepts the republican narrative of what happened here without any difficulty.”

          Would you be ok with an evidence based museum of the troubles as a lot of the perception of what happened here is really media based and evidence free.

          Bad things were done by both sides, there is no one side better or worse than the other.

          Would you agree with this neill?

          • neill October 22, 2015 at 7:07 pm #

            No

          • jessica October 22, 2015 at 10:39 pm #

            Says it all neill

          • neill October 23, 2015 at 8:54 am #

            No it says it all about you Jessica when you try to defend terrorists by suggesting every group was as bad when they plainly were not.

          • jessica October 23, 2015 at 1:10 pm #

            “No it says it all about you Jessica when you try to defend terrorists by suggesting every group was as bad when they plainly were not.”

            Sorry in advance for being so crass just to come down to your level of conversation neill, but…

            So if your parents were shot dead by british troops for no reason at all, that would not be as bad to you as them being shot dead by republicans?

            You are entitled to your opinion however, I believe all victims here are equal and there should be no preferential treatment to one side over the other on this.
            So I am quite happy with what that says about me.

            What it does say quite clearly about you, and the reason unionists are against even an evidence based museum of the troubles is because it would show the truth of what went on here.

            Mike Nesbitt claims to want the truth, but at the same time supports the cover up of state offences in the interests of national security when clearly no security risk from divulging the information exists according to their own report that unionists demanded.

            That report needs to be used as evidence for releasing previous enquiry reports and taking action against state forces for past misdeeds.

          • neill October 24, 2015 at 6:31 am #

            Pose you a quick question if an IRA bomber was blown up by his own bomb he is a victim?

            If a UVF member throws a blast bomb and it explodes early and kills him he is a victim?

            Good grief woman your idea of victimhood is indeed strange.

          • jessica October 24, 2015 at 10:29 am #

            “Pose you a quick question if an IRA bomber was blown up by his own bomb he is a victim?
            If a UVF member throws a blast bomb and it explodes early and kills him he is a victim?
            Good grief woman your idea of victimhood is indeed strange.”

            In my point of view yes, because there would never have been an IRA or UVF had our country not been occupied by a foreign country or unionism had not attempted a pogrom and misruled so badly.

            Human nature is human nature.

            Had the nazis occupied england, would you consider an English volunteer blown up by his own bomb against nazi control as a victim?

  9. jessica October 22, 2015 at 12:31 pm #

    “If that had happened, it would have been convenient for his British handlers: dead men tell no tales. There are those who believe that is precisely why he was outed. But he wasn’t killed. ”

    Wonderful observation Jude.

    Funny how so many of those executed as informers are now being linked to a british agent acting with impunity, yet when he is outed, as you say no such execution followed.

  10. PJ Dorrian October 22, 2015 at 12:34 pm #

    Speaking of agents, it struck me that the IRA volunteers interviewed by MI5 for the SOS’s statement this week must all be agents. This “important” survey of the parameters of the paramilitaries, was to be presented with evidence to substantiate its findings, yet there was none put forward. Hearsay with maybe a big dollop of creative writing. Given the ease with which politicians are economical with truth ( think, Cameron before the election, tax credits are safe with us), can anyone take this drivel seriously. As for Scapiticci, He is 69 now and could die of”natural causes ” before he can be brought to any court.

  11. jessica October 22, 2015 at 12:37 pm #

    I wonder if any of the smugglers Sinn Fein refers to as criminals and the state refer to as IRA, are agents?

    Might explain why the PSNI are unable to do anything about them.

    If it werent for these criminals after all, the recent report would have been rather one sided reading would it not?

    At least it confirmed that the state still has paid agents operating with impunity.

  12. Belfastdan October 22, 2015 at 1:09 pm #

    The big question is how many deaths are directly attributable to the actions of the British State and their agents? We may never know.

    Maybe the Chinese will have second thoughts about doing business with a country that has such a poor human rights record!

  13. blackmountain October 22, 2015 at 2:45 pm #

    I remember Robin Eames coming back to Ireland after he and Denis Bradley had been in London examining the intelligence files as part of the Eames / Bradley initiative. Eames said then that ‘the Unionist population were not ready for to find out what was done in their name’ ( paraphrasing) – I often wondered what he meant by that?

    • ANOTHER JUDE October 23, 2015 at 1:08 pm #

      The Unionists knew what was going on in their name, they supported it a hundred per cent.

  14. billy October 22, 2015 at 3:11 pm #

    scap can plead guilty and he only gets 2yrs jail,but as you say senior figures of the british establishment of the time could be named,on the other hand whoever appointed him to his position of chief executioner,who sanctioned the murders could be named as he will claim like all war criminals he was acting under orders,his 2yrs jail in a nice cushy open jail could be spent writing a book for his nestegg coming out.so expect the carpet to be pulled up and it brushed underneath.

  15. ANOTHER JUDE October 22, 2015 at 3:17 pm #

    neill, the IRA never shot anyone for being Catholic, that has to count for something………

    • neill October 23, 2015 at 6:09 am #

      Er yes they did they often targeted and killed Catholic policemen

      • ANOTHER JUDE October 23, 2015 at 12:57 pm #

        No, not for simply being Catholic. I think you are being rather disingenuous, actually I HOPE you are.

        • neill October 24, 2015 at 6:39 am #

          Sorry they actively targeted Catholic policemen for you to deny this is flies in the face of evidence

  16. paddykool October 22, 2015 at 4:13 pm #

    I’m still of the opinion that if there are M15 agents working within the republican movement or even within loyalism…and if they are unknown to true republicans and even true loyalists , then they must by Sinn Fein or even unionism’s reckoning be working with “criminals” outside the two differing party lines …that is the “true” party lines. That makes them criminals working with other criminals of whatever stripe you care to paint them….Sooooo in this case the specialist security service are underworld criminals only in league with other underworld criminals…..surely nothing to do with anything political at all…. Is that not so?

    • jessica October 22, 2015 at 6:22 pm #

      It isnt a matter of if PK.

      And no, MI5 are not interested in the actual crimes, they have agents still operating within criminal groupings that still operate on a paramilitary basis, include ex IRA and are being given freedom to conduct criminal activity hence the chief constables frustration.

      That is also the same people who the recent british intelligence reports are based upon.

      MI5 operate under an acceptable level of violence policy.

      They need to go.

  17. Séamus Ó Néill October 22, 2015 at 5:27 pm #

    Neill, the inglorious days of Empire are long gone …only the ragged tangled remnants of an ignominious English history remains.The vultures are circling ……,their is only an humiliating epitaph to be written and I’m personally glad i’m witnessing the dying throes .You can put whatever spin you prefer on it….you can practice self denial but it’s over….críochnaithe

    • neill October 23, 2015 at 6:12 am #

      Mope on Seamus doesn’t it bother you that your community is lead by a party that covered up child abuse rapists and murderers according to most of the users on this site the answer would be no.

      • paul October 23, 2015 at 12:29 pm #

        Hey Neill, Unionists/Loyalists were guilty of unspeakable child abuse in the Kincora home and others. William McGrath was an agent who was given free rein over vulnerable boys as was John McKeague. The list continues with such royalty as Knox Cunningham and possibly Mountbatten. A blind eye was turned as young boys were flown to LOndon for sex parties.

        As stated many times all sides have things to answer for, the one thing missing is a Unionist admittance of all the wrongs done in their name

  18. Perkin Warbeck October 22, 2015 at 6:34 pm #

    Freddie ‘Stakeknife’ Scappaticci was the kind of godsend of a name, Esteemed Blogmeister, that The Great Shakes himself would indubitably have shaken his high-domed head in approval.

    Not for nothing did he choose to set a number of his plays in La Bella Italla. What’s in a name? While The Immortal Bard fleshed out that rhetorical question by reference to a rose smelling just as sweet by any other name, in the case of Freddie Scappaticci it might well be more to do with ‘sub rosa’,

    Sub rosa being the kind of covert operation that picked ‘Stakeknife’ as a stainless steel pseudonym for a double-edged agent. ‘Stiletto ‘? Rather obvious, old chap.

    Stakeknife, one might say, is to The Dirty Old War as A Good Sharp Axe is to the Dirty Old Town: integral.

    The frenzied zeal with which the maniacal shower who man the manipulative media in DOBland took up the Stakeknife and repeatedly plunged it into the body politic of Sinn Fein would not have looked out of place in, let one see, oh yes, the Bates Motel.

    But, as has been famously opined and in a Cork accent:: dat was then, boy, but dis is now, like.

    With today’s hints and allegations that there may well have been more to L’Affaire Stakeknife than originally gouged out the eye it is rather unlikely that the same ‘frenzied zeal’ will be in evidence this time around. More suitable pieces at hand to fit the jigsaw puzzle with is the (gasp) National Narrative in the Free Southern Stateen.

    Take for instance this oddly shaped interlocking piece which has been heading the hoglines of late South of the Black Sow’s Dyke: ‘Children of the Rising’ by Joe Duffy.

    No, not Joe Duffy, the MMA fighter (the last dude to be rude to Conor McGregor by having him subdued !) though the confusion is understandable. While Joe Duffy the Microphoney Man (for it is he !) also does his share of talking it still lags a tad behind the typical MMA fighter.

    This very evening, Joe Duffy the author was in the mode compassionate and at his bleedin’ ‘bleeding heart’ best. Even as he listed the 40 innocent Duballin children who were killed without their permission during the Easter Rising, 1916 and whose identities he exhaustively researched, somehow snatching time off from his exacting one-hour day.

    Asked by a sympathetic interviewer (on secondment from The Unionist Times) on Newstalk FM of the DOBlin media monopoly, as to why these identities were not known to the generality before this, Joe Duffy the Microphoney Man went into Mixed Martial Artistic mode, with his intimidating open-fingered gloved growls.

    -Because de bleedin’ winners get to write de bleedin’ history.

    It wasn’t till the grounded listeners had been subjected to verbal kicks and knees to the head, as well as elbow strikes to their prejudices, not to mention the odd sly head stomp on their hisorical understanding when the unbiased interviewer wasn’t listening, that it dawned ofnslow-learner Perkie’s inner Easter lily wearer that the bleedin’ winners were the subversives in the Stonebreakers’ Yard.

    -I’ve worked out dat in de whole wide world between 14-18 de most dangerous place on planet earth for children was between de two bleedin’ canals of Dubalin (Royal and Grand).

    (Boring statistic, best not said out loud for fear of driving Compassionalte Joe bleedin’ : ballistic) : 40 children were killed/ murdered during Easter 1916. 12 million civilians were killed/ murdered during the Great Donkey Derby 14-18.

    It is not known what percentage were children; perhaps Compassionate Joe will in time, let us know.

    Now just why does Mustard Gas conjure up images of steaknives ?

  19. giordanobruno October 22, 2015 at 6:41 pm #

    Jude
    A lot of speculation here.
    I thought you frowned on that with regard to allegations (see every posting about Gerry Adams ever)?

    • neill October 23, 2015 at 6:13 am #

      Yes Gio isn’t that strange almost comically strange

  20. Mark October 22, 2015 at 7:01 pm #

    I often wondered, given the role of brit military intelligence, and RUC special branch in controlling the IRA, did the nutting squad perhaps ‘nut’ people who were not touts, just a bit too anti peace to be permitted to live?

    • jessica October 22, 2015 at 10:51 pm #

      “I often wondered, given the role of brit military intelligence, and RUC special branch in controlling the IRA, did the nutting squad perhaps ‘nut’ people who were not touts, just a bit too anti peace to be permitted to live?”

      MI5 never controlled the IRA.
      Yes, they used informers to create mistrust, paranoia and dissent and almost succeeded in turning the whole organisation in on itself before the introduction of the cell structure countered that strategy.

      Agents were given freedom to carry out a level of violence acceptable to maintain their cover.

      Only the agents themselves and their handlers know the truth, most agents are now dead and state evidence censored on grounds of national security.

      It will be another generation that learns the whole truth but it will come out eventually.

    • neill October 23, 2015 at 6:14 am #

      Loughgall?

    • billy October 23, 2015 at 7:16 am #

      yes mark there were scapegoats murdered [clear the books up sorta thing]as for the ones who were just a bit too anti peace a lot of them were knowingly sent on one way trips to meet the sas,dirty business all round.

  21. Emmet October 23, 2015 at 6:06 am #

    Has anyone actually seen any evidence that Freddie Scap is stakeknife? I heard a strange recording of someone posing as a journalist interviewing a senior army figure. The ‘journalist’ gets the ex-general to admit stakeknife’s name is Freddie (although he never really seems sure what his name was). I have heard a convincing argument that the so called journalist was actually an ex-member of FRU, but the person I heard this from was not sure if he still worked for the security services. I have also heard a recording of Freddie giving a secret interview to a real journalist seemingly to damage someone reputation. Who knows what the truth is I fear we will never know unless it is in the interest of the British. A process of truth should be started soon before everyone with any knowledge is killed. All past informers should be called forward with impunity to describe what they did and what the British told them to do. This would need to happen very quickly as the British would try to wipe out any evidence and bump off anyone who looked like talking.

    • jessica October 23, 2015 at 4:45 pm #

      “A process of truth should be started soon before everyone with any knowledge is killed. All past informers should be called forward with impunity to describe what they did and what the British told them to do. This would need to happen very quickly as the British would try to wipe out any evidence and bump off anyone who looked like talking.”

      They are more subtle than that Emmet.

      Have you noticed that shortly after the ceasefires, a loyalist feud wiped out every single loyalist involved in directly state sanctioned hits including that of pat finucane bar one, mark haddock and he turned out to be a state agent.
      Had the causes of that feud been orchestrated, it couldn’t have worked out better for them.

      They could get away with one direct murder in a remote cottage somewhere but a mass execution would shake foundations and be too obvious.

      They always have the old national security card.

      While unionist politicians support this, we should give them nothing and for Mike Nesbit to come on TV and state after being a victims commissioner must be like rubbing salt into the wounds.

      unionism is not yet fit for office.

      Their dream of a northern ireland country, separate from the rest of ireland can only happen with the support of nationalists in the north.

      The more the truth slips out, the further that pipe dream slips with it.

      • Emmet October 24, 2015 at 11:24 am #

        I have noticed that whenever someone gets close to uncovering something big people start dying. I have seen it happen so many times now. I think the IRA played into the hands of the spooks too many times as well. They wiped out a few loyalists that had done terrible things for the Brits. When information on the Shankill butchers was practically handed to republicans we should have seen the Brits wanted to wash their hands of them and get rid of them before they could admit who was directing them. When the Derry UFF leadership where stupid enough to claim the killing of Eddie Fullerton in Donegal you have to ask who told them to claim it, we know the Brits carried out the assassination. The loyalist leaders who were killed as a result of Fullerton brutal murder had been working for the Brits, but they obviously couldn’t be trusted to keep quiet. The alleged loyalist ring leader was killed in his house while talking to a senior RUC constable and another officer- you couldn’t make this up. These are stories I have heard but there must be some many other shady incidents that we need to get out in the open,

    • ben madigan October 25, 2015 at 3:33 pm #

      emmet – here’s a programme about stakeknife along with some questions to think about as you watch –

      Don’t know if it was the one you were referring to.

      Anyway – judge for yourself
      https://eurofree3.wordpress.com/2015/10/24/stakeknife-and-mr-alfredo-scappiticci/

      • Emmet October 26, 2015 at 11:08 am #

        Thanks Ben, there is a lot to get through here. The recording spoke of appeared on a Spanish website but then disappeared. I found it once again on another site. It seemed like part of MI5 pysops which has made me suspicious of the whole issue ever since. The other recording made in a car is more known and seems legitimate, where he is talking to a real journalist. But I have seen this presented as if the journalist is a handler- which added to my suspicions. If he was intentionally exposed who benefits from it?

      • Emmet October 26, 2015 at 11:59 am #

        Thanks again Ben. I just watched the documentary. There is no evidence offered though. The snippet from general Wilsey is the one I was talking about. I have heard the full telephone conversation though and the ‘journalist’ , I am told, worked for the FRU. The ‘journalist’ puts the word Freddie in the general’s mouth. Try to find the recording, I have found it a few times.The general admits he knew of a stakeknife but never was told his name. Also strange the MOD comment on scap saying any wrong doing should be reported to the police. If he was an agent their response would be we don’t comment on matters of security and will neither confirm or deny… This standard response is needed to not give anything away. Why change this policy for scap? The notice on the press also heightens suspicion instead of protecting Scap. He can’t go to the press to clear his name and he knows he is dead if he comes within reach of ex-provos or MI5. Also if he was relocated why Italy? It is too obvious plus the Brits can offer no protection there. They normally send ex-informers to British jurisdictions or places where Brit security has a close relationship (eg Canada or Australia). Too many unanswered questions I fear we will never know the answers to I fear. Is Stakeknife still part of the republican movement and a good smokescreen is being engineered? There are lots of claims that Stevens unmarked Scap, I have not heard about any though.

        • Emmet October 27, 2015 at 5:32 am #

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1ua6l-qbxE

          Here is a link to the recording. As I have said the person deceiving the general and putting the name Freddie out there is an ex-FRU member. Read the comments in the youtube comments- it seems many have worked this out.

          The person’s voice is very distinctive and isn’t hard to match to several other sources.

  22. neill October 24, 2015 at 6:44 am #

    Laughable Jessica truly laughable

  23. aussie al November 3, 2015 at 10:10 am #

    Everyone should take a Bex and have a good lie down.

    Inarguably, there were atrocities committed by all sides…Republican, Unionist and the armed forces. Your “struggles” were indeed a “dirty war”.

    Time for recriminations has passed. You blokes have peace now, after decades of violence. It would be a pity to squander that peace. The squabbling I have read here is probably replicated across your country. It’s bloody ridiculous. You live in the 21st century, in a developed nation…not some shithole like Rwanda.

    Yet Rwanda is the natural outcome for Northern Ireland if you idiots don’t learn to live together.

    • jessica November 3, 2015 at 8:48 pm #

      “Yet Rwanda is the natural outcome for Northern Ireland if you idiots don’t learn to live together.”

      What’s the matter Al, the sheep got a headache?

    • Emmet November 28, 2015 at 9:57 am #

      Hi Aussie al. If you check your history Ireland has not had long term peace.The struggle has gone on for more than decades. A real idiot is someone who doesn’t learn from the past or who is happy to be ignorant. If we don’t get the truth there can be no reconciliation. If there is no reconciliation war will come again. Maybe you should look at how your country treats the most vulnerable before you try to solve the world’s problems. One step at a time eh!