Must all now accept BREXIT, like it or lump it?

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I don’t know who Chris McBurney is but I know who Jim Allister is. Yesterday Mr Burney was arguing the same case as Mr Allister. The only difference is that Mr Allister a day or two ago  on Raidio Uladh/Radio Ulster was pitching his argument with some energy against Claire Hanna, whereas Mr McBurney in The Independent was pitching his argument with a lacing of insults against Gerry Adams.

Both McBurney and Allister were arguing against  Claire and Gerry’s contention that, although the UK as a whole voted clearly for BREXIT, the north of Ireland as a whole voted clearly for Remain, so the wishes of the people of the north should be respected. Both men get quite irate – McBurney maybe more than Allister, since the former didn’t mind adding contempt for Adams to his argument. In the end, both based their argument on the fact that it was a UK-wide vote, and you can’t go picking out bits and saying there was a majority in this place for staying.

Both Mr Allister and Mr McBurney are quite right – it was a UK-wide vote. However, I’d ask them to consider a few perplexing facts:

 

  1. In Gibralter (Yes, Virginia, Gibralter is part of the UK, apparently), 19322 people voted to remain in the EU, while 823 people voted to remain. If you were one of the 19322 who voted Remain, would you not be feeling something undemocratic was happening?
  2. In Scotland, 62% of the people voted to remain in the EU, with 38% voting to leave. I wonder how Nicola Sturgeon and the Scottish people would feel if Mr McBurney or Mr Allister were to tell them they’d just have to accept the democratic vote of the UK? I suspect Ms Sturgeon would tell them, politely, to piss off. She has already declared that a second referendum on Scottish independence is highly likely, such is the desire of the Scottish people to remain in the EU.
  3. The key word Mr McBurney and Mr Allister use is “democratic”. And I see the logic of their argument, that the BREXIT vote was democratic. However, I’d remind both men, and particularly Mr Allister, that in 1912 the Ulster unionists declared that they would not respect the democratic wishes of the UK and would resort to force rather than allow themselves to be eased out of the UK. Would it not be reasonable to say the people of Scotland, or the people Ulster minus three counties, have a right to resist being eased out of the EU against their wishes?  Shouldn’t sauce for the 1912 goose be sauce for the 2016 gander?

Chris McBurney’s article: https://www.facebook.com/notes/chris-mcburney/are-you-returning-to-the-ballot-box-and-the-armalite-mr-adams/10209905128775017

39 Responses to Must all now accept BREXIT, like it or lump it?

  1. Colmán June 28, 2016 at 10:33 am #

    Stormont should have had a say in calling for the vote in the first place.

  2. jessica June 28, 2016 at 10:41 am #

    “north of Ireland as a whole voted clearly for Remain”

    Well, not as a whole, I for one never voted because it was a vote for Britain’s future in the EU, not Irelands though I clearly have strong opinions on this significant change which should be a catalyst for change in Ireland and not simply an opportunity for cheap calls for border polls.

    Yes, it will impact on Ireland, but since Dublin will be talking with England to see what is in Irelands best interests including the north, including the border, including the EU reforms and other areas where all of Irelands best interests go hand in hand with Englands in relation to the EU.

    And don’t forget there will be other countries doing likewise, Netherlands and Denmark for example. Iceland, Norway and even Switzerland could also come on board.

    Would it not be better to allow these negotiations to take place with England having the strongest hand possible rather than trying to undermine them.

    I know my own people, they are still there if their spirits have been somewhat crushed by membership of the EU.

    This will be a litmus test to see whether Sinn Fein are fit to run this country (and I don’t mean the north, I mean for all of our people). At the moment I am not impressed.

    • truthrevisionist June 28, 2016 at 12:47 pm #

      Jessica

      At least Iceland had the B***s to jail the ‘Banksters.

      • jessica June 28, 2016 at 2:03 pm #

        “At least Iceland had the B***s to jail the ‘Banksters.”

        Absolutely true.

        I hope they also win the euros.

        Ireland should pay more attention to what that mall nation has achieved outside of the EU, rejecting their austerity programs and rebuilding their economy from nothing

        They are a shining light to the world.

        Unfortunately in Ireland, we have lost our war cry.

  3. Bridget Cairns June 28, 2016 at 10:48 am #

    In the interests of impartial comment, I googled Chris Mc Burney who described Amnesty International as a “crazed organisation”.

    • truthrevisionist June 28, 2016 at 12:00 pm #

      He is 100% correct.

      Have a look at the salaries and remuneration packages of the CEOs’ past and present.

      A CIA run pseudo-gang.

  4. Jud June 28, 2016 at 11:01 am #

    Jude – this is the sort of logic that led to partition in 1922.
    The overwhelming majority of the island of Ireland voted for independence in the 1918 election, but opponents pointed to a different outcome in several counties in the North.

    Democracy applies to the sovereign state – such as it is at the time the vote is taken.

    The problem we have, and have always had, is partition.
    That is the issue that needs to be solved.
    Until it is, NI is shackled to the decisions of Westminster and by extension the British electorate.

    The Scottish had their chance for national self determination and blew it.

    We need to make sure we get ours.

    Votes in NI do not matter. They never have.

  5. Antaine de Brún June 28, 2016 at 11:34 am #

    Mr Mc Burney is perhaps not aware that it is Dáil Éireann not Dial.

    In relation to his comments about undemocratic ends, has he forgotten that when the Northern Ireland cabinet met on March 21st, 1972, the main item on the agenda was the visit of the Prime Minister, Mr Brian Faulkner, to Downing Street the following day.

    Mr Heath was of the opinion that The Northern Ireland government proposals were not sufficient to give a guaranteed role to the minority. In addition, he was of the opinion that internment was a major problem and also affected the UK adversely in its international relationships. With the stroke of a pen, the British Government prorogued the Northern Ireland Parliament and the rest is history.

    When Mr McBurney talks about “undemocratic ends” has he forgotten about the second referendum on the Lisbon Treaty? The amendment’s enactment followed the failure of a previous attempt which was rejected in the Lisbon I referendum held in June 2008.

    A secret ballot to deal with Mr Corbyn’s mandate is hardly democratic. Mr Corbyn advocates policies, his opponents attack personalities. Time will reveal the identities of the knights and dames with the long knives.

    At present Messrs Sutherland and Blair are advocating the need to reverse Brexit. Will it be through another referendum or a general election? Perhaps Eurosceptics are correct in their assessment that the EU is allergic to democracy. Some politicians listen to the electorate, clearly do not like what is being said and plot to sabotage mandates from the electorate, that is undemocratic.

  6. Cal June 28, 2016 at 11:40 am #

    So if we can be taken out of one political union against our will, I’m sure the DUP and friends will have no problem with a UK wide vote on taking the north out of the U.K. ? Right ?

    • Jude Collins June 28, 2016 at 11:42 am #

      You are a droll one, Cal…

  7. Wolfe tone June 28, 2016 at 11:43 am #

    All those who call and preach to us about democracy should ensure the brexit vote is followed through otherwise the people will rightfully suggest what’s the point. The Irish republican movement tried through armed struggle to effect change on this island and were roundly condemned by the establishment here and in Britain for being undemocratic. They were ‘ignoring the wishes of the people’ etc etc. Now these same do gooders are devising ways to over ride the ‘democratic process’ as it doesn’t suit them. It’s a wee bit hypocritical to say the least. Btw, before anyone says the difference between the IRA and the establishments is that the establishment doesn’t believe in violence to further its objectives, I would say take a look at Iraq,Libya and Syria. Plenty of violence there.

    • Jude Collins June 28, 2016 at 1:41 pm #

      Those in the UK who are unhappy with the BREXIT outcome would have loved the way they worked referenda in the south. If the result isn’t what you wanted, run it again. That said, I’d be grateful for anything that reversed BREXIT. A total disaster, IMHO…

      • jessica June 28, 2016 at 2:04 pm #

        “That said, I’d be grateful for anything that reversed BREXIT. A total disaster, IMHO…”

        Why do you think it is a disaster Jude?

        • Jude Collins June 28, 2016 at 2:57 pm #

          Because it has transformed the lives of thousands of farmers. It has helped create a really good road system in the south, which used to be appalling. Because it shifts Irish focus from being totally tied to Britain economically. Because I like the ease of movement to Italy, France, Spain. I don’t for a moment say the EU is the kind of organisation it should be – democratic it ain’t. But you sometimes can see the worth of something by checking the people who oppose it. Hello Boris, Michael and Nigel…

          • truthrevisionist June 28, 2016 at 3:37 pm #

            Farmers !

            I gulped and spluttered me afternoon cuppa’ as I ‘howled’ reading that one Jude.

            Bloody right it transformed their lives. ‘Beamers’ and double extensions with underfloor heating everywhere.

            I know dozens of them having lived in Fermanagh for many years.

            Never met one yet, who couldn’t afford heating oil or a Sunday lunch at a local hotel.

            But I know plenty of old folk here in Belfast for whom its ‘eat’ or ‘heat’.

            Take your ‘middle – class’ rose-tinted specs off for ten minutes Jude.

            The ‘Ant Hill’ has been kicked over.

          • Jude Collins June 28, 2016 at 6:01 pm #

            Ha haaa – sorry to have disrupted your leisurely afternoon tea (and crumpets, I expect).You’ll have to get out more if you think all farmers live in luxury – maybe try west of the Bann for a start. I agree that there are pensioners in the heat or eat dilemma – and you blame that on…the EU? Mmmm..

          • paddykool June 28, 2016 at 5:22 pm #

            So very true , Jude.Some may have voted for well thought out economic reasons , but I suspect it is the “Daily Mail”, Little Englander syndrome , the fear of the other , that really held sway in the voting .What it has left is a UK divided bitterly right down the middle with no real plan for the future. nobody thought to draw a map before setting off on this course.Any of us who can remember this island before the EU know what an impoverished place it was. If there was any money at all it wasn’t used for roads ….watch the pot-holes grow in the north ..and as for agriculture ….the EU was the making of it when the grants piled in.The ragged fields and hedgerows, the enorous multi-thousand pound machines….! So….. Welcome back to the 1950’s folks..It’ll never be the same again but there’s a certain type of conservative who still harkens back for a rose-tinted 1950’s where “rights” were a fantasy, pollution was a fact of life and swings in playgrounds were tied up on Sundays.Yes, look at the vocal ones who wanted out. ….the DUP and the far right. What excuses are they’re going to make now that they’ve gotten their wishes and half the English and the Welsh, a majority here in Norneverland and in Scotland think they’ve got it totally wrong? Scotland will leave the union now ,so it’ll be a smaller UK for starters.

          • jessica June 28, 2016 at 6:20 pm #

            “What it has left is a UK divided bitterly right down the middle with no real plan for the future. ”

            Well, I would disagree about the no plan for the future, it makes perfect sense to me.

            But one question, do you think the division sprang out of the referendum or do you think they were there anyway with more and more people growing unhappy with the direction the EU is heading?

            As for the roads etc… these grew out of the single market which is a good thing. It was the EU turning into an overbearing all controlling monster that screwed that up, not this referendum.

            If the cost of our sovereignty is poorer roads until we get back to what was working within the single market then so be it.

            There was never any need for such control, and it was the EU which encouraged nations such as Greece in particular to borrow well beyond their means, much of which of that borrowed money was spent in Germany.

            It is you who has the rose tinted goggles regarding the EU. The single market is not the EU, if the EU splits, a new single market could be recreated without a united states of Europe on the agenda.

          • Wolfe tone June 28, 2016 at 6:44 pm #

            Jude, a few months ago, at a school in my town, some staff members remarked to their colleagues, how ‘our school is starting to look like its a school for foreigners’. They had enrolled Spanish,Lithuanian,Latvian,Portuguese kids to their school. ‘People around the town are talking about our school’,’ ‘locals’ are not sending their kids here’ were some of the comments. The vibe coming from these staff members was loaded with racism. By the way in this school it is par for the course that traveller kids are given colouring-in books at the back of class whilst the rest of the class are given their education.
            Anyways fast forward to last Friday morning and in this school some of these individuals were spitting that there was an Brexit. ‘Yous are going to lose your jobs’, ‘dirty racist english’, ‘it’s not fair’ blah blah were the norm in the staff room. It turns out it wasn’t concern for the ‘foreign’ kids in the school, rather, individual staff members were making a nice wee earner renting their wee extra houses to the foreign families that visit these shores. Added to that the school is given more money to ‘take in the foreign families’. Now that’s racist. Why should a school be paid incentives to give a child an education? Bottom line is, we have racists on both sides of the brexit, but the wolves in sheeps clothing ones are a particularly devious lot.

          • Jude Collins June 28, 2016 at 7:27 pm #

            Sounds true and sounds awful, WT (you seem v well informed re the staffroom…:) ) Those teachers would need a course in humanity, as distinct from the Humanities.I find it pretty risible that the assumption among racists is that they’re better than the people coming in. A joke or what?

          • jessica June 29, 2016 at 6:45 am #

            “I find it pretty risible that the assumption among racists is that they’re better than the people coming in. A joke or what?”

            Jude, thanks to the EU, I now feel you are referring to me in the above racists remark which you may or may not be, perhaps it is Eamons constant labelling me a racist who knows.

            But that is the reality of the division the EU is causing and it is not the mutli cultural or anti foreigner attitude that is the issue, but the sheer volume which has been unloaded too fast for small nations to cope with.

          • Wolfe tone June 28, 2016 at 7:41 pm #

            My kids filled me in on what went on in the classroom; they just didn’t realise that they were! But I can’t disclose my other sources.
            My point being is that these individuals would be the very people clamouring for a remain vote but underneath it they actually sneer at the foreigner. It’s all about the money for them. Btw they hug the alter rails too and involve themselves in lots of ‘good causes’……….is it any wonder I have a cynical outlook on various topics! Lol.

          • jessica June 29, 2016 at 7:06 am #

            I remember the roads well Jude and there have been many benefits from being in the EU as you rightly mention.

            When you say “being totally tied to Britain economically”

            You do realise that all of our electricity comes from gas supplied from Russia via Britain or direct from Britain.
            We will not be economically independent until we are self sufficient on renewable energy, one of the things I have prattled on about here for some time now.
            And that England is by far our biggest trade partner.

            As for ease of movement to Italy, France, Spain. I too like to visit Spain and Portugal in particular but leaving the EU will not deter me from that and other than having to use the non EU gate and short delay, but if Iceland can remain outside of the EU and still have the same ease of movement, why do you think Ireland could not or that the UK wont?

            I can just as easily judge it by those who support it such as John Major, George Osbourne, David Cameron or even Enda Kenny.

      • Wolfe tone June 28, 2016 at 2:40 pm #

        Aye we all know the free state is a banana republic. It’s stablishment willingly did the bidding for the EU: water charges,bail outs,bin charges,inflated house prices,inflated rents,exorbitant healthcare,education for those that can afford it etc etc etc. A real ‘social’ European Union, not! Allthewhile the racist EU engineers ways to abdicate responsibility from caring for war refugees they helped create. ‘We havnt the money’ is often the cry but they sure as hell find money for razzmatazz politicians and heads of state when they visit their shores. Of course thats ‘good for tourism’.
        Catherine Connolly TD alluded to it last nite: 10,000 child refugees have gone missing in Europe. Nobody knows or cares where they are, especially the EU. In fact the EU mandarins probably know more than others where they are. We rightfully demand answers about child abuse scandals committed by the Catholic Church,Westminster etc and we often hear the excuse that ‘we didn’t know’. Truth is we don’t care enough to know.

      • truthrevisionist June 28, 2016 at 2:47 pm #

        Jude, Jude,

        This is not ‘Democracy’ ‘old chap’

        Perhaps ‘Referneverendum’ would suit??

        ‘Whistling to keep myself from being afraid’ springs to mind !

  8. truthrevisionist June 28, 2016 at 11:56 am #

    The ‘beauty’ of the chaos that has been unleashed –

    Is that ‘All the Kings’ horses and all the Kings’ men won’t be able to put the ‘gangster cabal’ back together again’…as it was..

    And watch as the crisis deepens and the ‘frankenstein’ EU monstrosity devours itself through the self -immolation of uncontrolled immigration.

    Ten thousand North African Immigrants have arrived in the last four days in Italy.
    less than 2% who arrived in 2015 have been repatriated to their own countries.

    European peoples do not want our identities diluted with forced immigration, by carpet-baggers, who parasitically come amongst us – and degrade our attachment to our land and our lifelong principles

    Orchestrated by these International Hyenas – a small rootless international ‘clique’ of crooks, we have been ‘plundered’ for long enough.

  9. Scott June 28, 2016 at 11:59 am #

    I think the attempts to scupper Brexit due to NI or Scotland claiming they didn’t vote it will prove futile. It feels like moving the goal posts because they didnt like the results.

    Unbelievablely I think the Labour Party is the only thing that can stop Brexit. If the new labour leader (let’s be honest it’s a matter of when rather than if) stands on a platform of remaining in the EU and wins a general election then that would be enough to overturn the Brexit vote in my opinion.

    • billy June 28, 2016 at 3:51 pm #

      i think the labour party is the only thing that can stop brexit….surely farage would love that him standing on the opposite platform of the vote being denied it could make him pm.i think he spoke like a pm in brussels today mocking them about laughing at him 20yrs ago he surely must be on the negotiating team.in years to come young people will see the benefits of brexit.

  10. giordanobruno June 28, 2016 at 12:37 pm #

    I think you could say that by participating in a referendum you are tacitly accepting the terms in which it is framed.
    Perhaps it would have been better if the parties from Wales Scotland N Ireland had all stipulated beforehand that a majority in all 4 parts of the UK should be required.
    I never heard that argument made although perhaps it was, or perhaps such a thing would not have been possible.

    • gendjinn June 28, 2016 at 2:04 pm #

      I think you could say that by taking your seats in Westminster you are tacitly accepting the terms in which it is framed.

  11. gendjinn June 28, 2016 at 4:14 pm #

    For a moment after the Leave result came in and NI voted to Remain, there was the brief flicker of hope that not even Unionism would be so brazenly hypocritical to claim that NI should be dragged out of a union against it’s will.

    But I lie, there wasn’t even a flicker because after decades of experiencing Unionism and reading history told me there wouldn’t be a moment’s hesitation before declaring that it’s democratic and right that England can decide the fate of Northern Ireland.

    And monumentally stupid. Working intently to undermine their rationale for the existence of Northern Ireland in the first place.

    A failed state, originating in a failure of democracy that failed it’s citizens. Time to put it out of everyones misery. Time for a border poll!

  12. Am Ghobsmacht June 28, 2016 at 7:27 pm #

    Dr C

    Pardon my ignorance but I’d have thought anyone of a nationalist leaning (e.g. you) would be delighted at the result?

    I truly believe this’ll puncture unionism’s calluses and will move apathetic ‘nationalists’ and garden centre prods more to a UI.

    IF Britain has to make severe cuts (likely) then a few thousand cuts to the NI universities and NI civil service would really make a difference.

    And if some privatisation of the NHS comes about (and I believe it will some day) then it’s game over.

    If I were you Dr C I’d put my feet up, write constant blogs about the benefits of private health care and a small government administration and watch as the wheels come off the DUP’s strategy (which is to make NI so spazy that the common belief is we can’t survive without London).

    It’ll be ugly for a while, but given all the ugliness since that has come and gone since 1921 this bit would be the least painful and the most worthwhile (from a reunification point of view).

    The worst case for nationalism is that Brexit is a GOOD idea.

    Now pour yourself a cup of tea (I recommend Rooibos tea BTW, tasty, low in caffine and very good for ye).

    • Jude Collins June 28, 2016 at 7:32 pm #

      I like the idea of a UK break-up – it always was a con-trick for everyone but England -but I regret the damage to the EU and our inclusion in it. No 1 being no WW3, or at least not like the first two; opening of inward-looking Irish eyes, human rights, employment legislation, being less dependent on England…I’ll take UI this way, sure, but it’s at a rather high price (resurgent right, resurgent racism, resurgent Toryboy…)

      • jessica June 29, 2016 at 6:25 am #

        But it is not only the UK which is dividing and breaking up Jude.
        The divisions over EU run deeper than you think and through many nations making your “No 1 being no WW3” more than a little misguided.

        So rather than uniting the Irish people including protestants such as PF who would be prepared to have the sort of Ireland envisioned by the leaders of 1916, you would instead take a UI at the cost of “resurgent right, resurgent racism, resurgent Toryboy” and give up the dream of a sovereign Irish nation?

        I will not and I would not support a united Ireland tomorrow based on such principals.

        I do understand where you are coming from about reliance on England. Like it or not we do. Not only are they are largest trading partner by far, but if it weren’t for England being in Irelands corner at the EU table, things would be quite different from what they are now.

        Can you see Ireland standing up to the EU without them, because I cant? Ireland has always been behind England at such negotiations, are you telling me the right thing to do is turn our backs on them now and give up what little sovereignty we have left to Brussels?

        I don’t think you have thought about this anywhere near enough Jude.

  13. PF June 28, 2016 at 8:24 pm #

    In recents comments, Jessica (Irish) and PF (me, and British) have expressed similar reservations about the EU and it’s overshadowing, if not outright dilution of the nation state.

    This has led to some interesting exchanges between us in which each have affirmed the other’s pride in their nationhood; and, if I have read it correctly, some measure of agreement that a United Ireland might be possible in the context of a new union of the nations of these isles, the nations of the commonwealth and northern European nations such as Norway.

    (Correct me if I’m wrong, Jessica.)

    Given our conversation, is it possible, then, that one of the results of the UK’s vote to ‘Leave’ is not only increased talk about the possibility of a United Ireland, but also that different types of United Ireland might also possible – and one which includes a British dimension?

    If this is the case, was anything like this ever on the Irish Republican horizon?

    And is it just possible that the North’s Nationalists and Republicans are just as much Dublin’s bargaining chip as Northern Ireland’s Unionists are London’s?

    • jessica June 29, 2016 at 12:52 am #

      PF, there is already a British dimension to the current republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland so to say unification which will require a referendum and the support of at least a percentage of northern protestants, I would say a British dimension is a given.

      I am passionate about an Irish nation which includes all of the people on this island. A sovereign nation fit to represent the Irish people wherever they find themselves on this planet of which a great many find themselves in GB.

      I am nobody, but I do have a strong interest in this subject and I do talk deliberately and occasionally provocatively to get a feeling of thoughts on the ground.

      I am telling you now, there is support in the republican community for a deal with England that would like to see Ireland united and part of a new relationship to unite all of the nations on our islands as equals over individual membership of the EU.

      I have no love for England, they have been my enemy for a large percentage of my life but why having fought an enemy for so long to seek freedom, should when we are on the cusp of peace and have an opportunity to finally unite our people, should we throw it all away to be ruled by a larger monster that through economic control over a larger area we will be unable to ever break free from without crippling our economy.

      Brexit is in my opinion the last chance of freedom for many EU nations and I have already decided that I will back England over the EU in the upcoming negotiations.

      Dublin better bloody well stand up for what is best for the Irish people and not capitulate or be bought off by the EU or there will be revolution on this island, I promise you that.

      Sinn Fein are as always taking the safer option and siding with the EU at present, if the discussions, and let me assure you, there will be discussions over the coming months and as time goes on, other countries will go to the polls for EU exits and Britain’s bargaining power will over time get stronger. Once Britain starts to take the upper hand which it will, then Sinn Fein will change tact. That is what they do, take safe options.

      I don’t. I choose sides and stick with them even if it brands me a racist and separates me from my own community.

      We are on the same page PF.

      You are just as equally Irish as I am, but cannot let go of your bond with Britain and will sacrifice your Irish identity if you must for what you believe in.

      That passion I can understand well.

      I am Irish but will reject any British identity because it is at the expense of my being part of an Irish state.

      It is a no brainer that the solution will involve a new relationship between both islands that would address both issues equally.

      .

  14. Wolfe tone June 29, 2016 at 12:37 pm #

    Just last nite Fine Gael TD Regina Doherty claimed that if the EU forced the Free state to adjust its corporation tax in line with other EU countries then ‘we wouldn’t be seen for dust’ in leaving the EU. Now is that the words of someone who really believes in the EU project? Really believes in equality for all Europeans? Really believes in a warm wonderful lovely EU family? Btw not a word about what she said on the media. Sure we wouldn’t want those brexit supporters highlighting any hypocrisy from the ‘good side’ now would we?

    No doubt her and her ilk were lobbying British people to remain over the last few weeks. Probably pleading with them not to be on the side of bigots,racists,Putin and ISIS(no laughing at the back plz). No doubt imploring the English/Brits that we are all one big happy family in the EU and don’t ruin it. And yet the free state mask slips at the very mention of touching their wee thing-corporation tax. And yet we are being told that all the ‘remainers’ are on the side of good?

    The free state establishment don’t even give a damn about northerners, the last gen election was evident of that. In fact the last 10 yrs or more us evident. As far as I can see there’s a lot of people blowing smoke up all our noses in this island, north and south, allthewhile milking the cash cow that is the ‘peace process’. It’s truly embarrassing to witness these chancers.

    • Jude Collins June 29, 2016 at 1:15 pm #

      ‘Good side’ and ‘Regina Doherty’ should not appear in the same post….

    • jessica June 29, 2016 at 1:18 pm #

      “The free state establishment don’t even give a damn about northerners, the last gen election was evident of that. ”

      And it wont be forgotten lightly either WT.