I tend to be whatever the opposite of meticulous is. Broad brush. Sweeping. Sometimes ill-informed. That’s why admire people who take a forensic approach, who look carefully at claims, match these with facts, and draw conclusions.
That’s why I find this article by Danny Morrison impressive. I’d be interested to know if you think I’m right to be impressed.http://Creating False News On BBC Radio Ulster’s Talkback today (22nd March) a story about Martin McGuinness was repeated, a story aimed at illustrating that Martin McGuinness was callous towards victims and not sincere in his attempts at reconciliation. Stories like this can affect people’s attitudes, and responses, and, arguably, even the decisions they make. The first time I … Continue reading Creating False News Danny Morrison
Firstly,did the IRA shoot private Kelly?At the time there was speculation that he may have been hit by “friendly fire” and subsequent inquests did’nt go into virtually any depth or detail for some reason.
I didn’t want to deal with that issue – which is contentious – except for the fact that he lost his life in an incident involving the IRA and the lie over what was said arises from that fact
Danny, do you think the british state will move at all on truth?
I think it is a farce for the peace process to go on without it.
As well as the sadness and shock at losing Martin, I feel a sense of insecurity, that we are more vulnerable and in a less secure position now.
We are in a different place without him.
maybe a big boy did it and ran away?
Jude i was a soldier on duty the day of this incident in government buildings in dublin,before the day was out we were hearing rumours that it was friendly fire,i dont know how true these rumours were and i dont remember what happened next as i left the irish army soon afterwards.
Both killed that day were shot from behind by the Gardaí, they behaved like cowboys where as every single bullet issued to the army was tracked.
Try taking a look at the coroners report, oh wait…..
Nationalists and republicans have everything to be proud of. Martin McGuinness has reinforced my pride in being a republican. We should remember him with quiet dignity.
I heard the ‘move on’ statement reported (I think on Newsnight) and it clearly jarred with everything else that had been reported about how Martin McGuinness conducted himself and those who (unlike Marty) haven’t moved on since the GFA will always be attempting to gain political advantage by denigrating their opponents – and this attempt looks to have been well and truly nailed.
Danny or Jude, it is imperative that this information should be highlighted through the very media outlets that allowed the lie to go unchallenged. Please find your voices on this.
One thing is clear, the BBC and other news sources have always lied where the Irish conflict was concerned. During the war there were hundreds of occasions when absolute crap was broadcast as “news”. The rags that pass for newspapers were equally rubbish. My favourite is probably the (fairy) story in the Sun, concerning an IRA weapons find by the RUC (you can see where this is going). The guns were found on the Shankill Road
David Kelly asserted that McGuinness was on the Army Council in 1983.
Perhaps Danny Morrison can turn his forensic gaze on that question in his determination to search out the truth. He must have the contacts in the republican movement to verify or repudiate the claim.
Now that McGuinness is dead maybe we can be told the truth
A truth and reconciliation process is a 2 way street.
While the British establishment refuse to admit their part in the horror they helped to create here much of the truth will never come out.
That is the stock answer thanks.
David Kelly is not British though. His father was not British as far as I know.
McGuinness is dead now (much too young sadly) and the truth could not harm him.
It’s the “stock answer” because it’s true.
People will not learns the truths they yearn for until all parties involved in the conflict are a) willing to admit their part and b) tell the truth about the part they played.
How can there be a truth and reconciliation process when certain parties fail to address their involvement in the problem in the first place?
Is this applied to all victims including those of state forces?
Should the Finucane family and the Ballymurphy families cease their campaigns for truth and justice too?
Have I suggested somewhere that people SHOULD cease their campaigns for truth and justice?
Can you clarify please.?
Are you arguing for a formal truth and reconciliation process or are you saying people should continue to fight their individual cases in the hopes that someone will tell what they know?
Personally I’d like to see a formal truth and reconciliation process but I don’t see that happening when some of the protagonists refuse to accept the part they played in the conflict.
I think we should have gone with the Eames/ Bradley plan. I don’t agree with IRA men or British forces being charged with actions carried out during the conflict. Nothing can be gained by dragging up events from forty years ago. You might as well bring up the bombing of Dresden or Pearl Harbour. Anything before the GFA is history.
I think mainstream media and people in positions of influence have a responsibility not to tell lies to the rest of us.
Those with an insight will know that Governments have decided to deliberately lie to their own populations and have done so at least as far back as WW1 and probably before that. The reasons given by defenders of this Government behaviour is that it is in the national interest or is required to protect national security.
Governments have had call to use Mainstream media to spread the lies which they wished to tell their own populations and the media have colluded in spreading these lies so the institution which we should expect to police misinformation and punish it have actually been in cahoots with each other in perpetrating it.
I would suggest that we will continue to see media perpetrate untruths because the very government we expect to act in the interest of it’s own citizens are content to allow it go unpunished as it is not in it’s own interest to do so.
We only have to look at the governments laughable response to the Leveson Inquiry.