The Féile and unionism

The Féile An Phobail which we’ve recently enjoyed has many benefits, but outstanding among these must be that it encourages us to think. Most of us, of course, can think without being plugged into a Féile; but our thinking can fall into a pattern and even a rut, and getting heaved out of that rut sometimes requires outside help. The Féile, I have found over the years, provides that help.

This year Eamonn Phoenix, for example, provided it at a discussion around the shrinking unionist majority. He described the early days, as unionism cast about for a version of partition that would suit it. The original option of a nine-county Ulster was quickly rejected for one fundamental reason: numbers. Or as some like to call it, on the basis of a sectarian head-count. In a nine-county Northern Ireland, the balance between Protestants/unionists and Catholics/nationalists was too close to equilibrium, and would have resulted in an instability that would leave the state ungovernable.

And that, Dr Phoenix explained, is where we’re at now.  We are at the point in terms of numbers – unionists/Protestants and nationalists/Catholics – that unionists, back in the 1920s saw as impossible to sustain. So strongly did they believe this, they abandoned the many unionists in Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal, deeming it a price that had to be paid for a state with a permanent unionist majority.

Another Féile event with thought-power: the West Belfast Talks Back discussion. Alex Kane was a panelist and is on record as having said in the past that 99% of unionists, in a border poll, would vote with their hearts and not their heads, and likewise nationaliss/republicans.

There’s a truth in what he says: the extremely silly idea that a large section of nationalists now see themselves as “Northern Irish” is Belfast Telegraph poppycock. Face the nationalist/republican population with a referendum and see how Northern Irish – aka status quoers – vote. Alex and others might receive a giant shock.

But but but. Alex has now moved back a bit from his 99%-heart position, and says there’s a portion of the unionist electorate that would be open to new economic arguments for Irish unity, in the wake of Brexit. He couldn’t be righter.

There was a time when unionists boasted that they’d eat grass before they’d accept anything smelling of an all-Ireland. The grass option was soon dropped and the money grabbed.

Think about it this way. If you were a unionist and you were told “Vote No to Irish unity and your salary will be halved within five years”, would you   respond “No chance!” ?


There might be about five mentally –bewildered unionists out there who’d still vote No, but that’d be it – the rest would factor in the economic cost and vote Yes. Likewise if your average unionist was told that voting for reunification in a border referendum would mean a salary instantly doubled, all except the nutty five would murmur “Yipee!” and vote Yes.

I’m using these extreme hypothetical situations to emphasise a point: economics will of course matter in any border referendum. It’s not everything but it is something and we’d be fools to think otherwise. Gregory Campbell once told me that the prosperity or otherwise of the south of Ireland mattered not a whit to unionists: they didn’t consider reunification during the Celtic Tiger years and they won’t consider it in the less prosperous present.

George Galloway made a a more relevant point in his Féile talk. “If it is the case that the majority of the people of the six counties want to remain in the EU, then they have an opportunity to do so by reuniting the country.”

But but but, you’re saying. These are all pro-Irish unity contributions to the Féile – where are the counter-arguments of unionists? The answer is “Nowhere”. Unionism was invited to West Belfast Talks Back but unionism found a way of being terribly busy at that time and unable to attend. The fact that they stayed away tells you how confident they are in their own argument.

Every year I say it: the Féile shows that people here have an appetite for serious political discussion. It’s just a pity that we don’t get opportunities to so engage year-round.. And it’s even more pity that unionist politicians still are afraid to argue their case in a public forum. Most nationalists/republicans want to hear what the unionist case is.

But instead unionism is backing itself into a corner where it sits huddled, fingers in ears, humming “God Save The Queen”. Come on out, guys and gals. You’re our fellow-countrymen. Together we have so much to contribute in a new Ireland.



69 Responses to The Féile and unionism

  1. Scott Rutherford August 19, 2017 at 10:18 am #

    Robin Swann wrote an excellent article about whether or not Unionism can be “bought”

    • Pointis August 19, 2017 at 1:05 pm #

      I too read the piece Scott and what stood out for me was Robin Swann’s statement “It is about centuries of kinship, tradition, culture and shared history.” His statement is a celebration of segregationism!
      There was no kinship shared with themuns,
      There was no tradition shared with themuns,
      There was no culture shared with themuns,
      There was no agreed history with themuns,

      • Tam August 19, 2017 at 1:15 pm #

        Exactly the same on the Catholic side Pointis.

        Nationalism is almost by definiton segregationism.

      • Scott Rutherford August 19, 2017 at 1:22 pm #

        Not how I read it Pointis. It was simply a declaration of a fact that centuries of movement of people and interconnection has forged bonds of kinship. Those connections of kinship certainly run deeper with the Protestant population due their more direct relationship with Scotland etc, but they also run within people from the Catholic community I’d say also, but not to the same degree I accept.

        • Pointis August 19, 2017 at 4:43 pm #

          Yes Scott, many unionists are going to read it exactly as Robin Swann writes it, from his own unionist perspective. What many who advocate for a genuinely shared future argue for is that we all must be able to step into the ‘other man’s shoes’ and unfortunately what history will most likely show is that unionist politicians in particular have shown an intransigence to even make the slightest of efforts to try and see things from the other perspective.

          There is a famous test for Asperger’s syndrome where a visible obstacle is placed between a toy figure (doll) and a toy house. The obstacle (sometimes a mountain) would form a break in the line of sight between the toy figure and the toy house. The child will be asked to describe what the toy figure could see if it were alive and was looking towards the house. The child with Asperger’s will in the majority of cases draw the house (despite the fact that the doll could not possibly see the house) because the child itself (who has Asperger’s) can see the house and is unable to imagine themselves looking from another’s perspective.

          Robin Swann along with many unionist politicians show exactly the same traits in not being able to demonstrate an ability to look at circumstances from another’s perspective. Feilé like other similar events offers all sides the opportunity of trying to step outside their own comfort zone and examine issues from the other perspective.

          The record will show unionist politicians once again refusal to accept the gesture of friendship and small steps at reconciliation. Let us all hope that future generations have more empathy for each other that their predecessors.

          • Tam August 19, 2017 at 5:34 pm #

            Robin’s failure to see things from others’ perspectives is no different to the failure of nationalists to do the same.

  2. Eolach August 19, 2017 at 11:33 am #

    I read it Scott but I’m less than impressed…. It’s hardly ” I had a dream ” moment…. it’s full of clichéd waffle that could have been written by a 10 year old. Unionism just doesn’t seem to get it, Britain has nothing to offer me….. they are an unrepentant, arrogant bullying people and Unionism is their mirror here. Everything has been tried, Scott, and failed miserably.Six counties were undemocratically separated , politically, by the whims of a few irrational bigots and we’ve paid the consequences ever since. Permanent peace and stability will only reign supreme when we’re reunited.

    • Scott Rutherford August 19, 2017 at 12:00 pm #

      Fair enough Eolach.

      I liked Robins piece though, he articulated well I thought how Unionism is about more than simple pounds and pence.

    • Tam August 19, 2017 at 1:16 pm #

      In other words extreme nationalists will continue with their violence until they get what they want.

      • James August 19, 2017 at 2:27 pm #

        There is no need for any kind of violence Tam, the war is over. It is important that you keep reminding yourself of that binding international agreement signed on Good Friday some years ago, just keep repeating to yourself 50% + 1, after a while you will be much calmer in yourself.

        • Tam August 19, 2017 at 5:35 pm #

          I agree, James. It’s not me predicting violence: it’s Eolach.

          • Eolach August 21, 2017 at 12:45 pm #

            Tam nowhere in this blog ,or any other , do I advocate using violence. I do however constantly remind the amnesic Unionists that Britain’s history is just one long gory bloodbath.They , in a thousand years , have not had one decade where they wern’t exgaged in the execution of some natives somewhere on planet Earth. It’s a wretched inglorious history ,of which they should be utterly ashamed. There was a time for the IRA , but …..and the vast majority of Republicans/Nationalistts will agree , that day is gone. The only ones threatening and using violence ( apart from a few unwanted waywards calling themselves Republican ) are Unionists.Tam if you don’t understand the difference in being colonised….. and wanting what’s rightfully yours back again , and fighting to unlawfully keep that colony then you’re a lost cause.For almost four hundred years the people who were planted here refused to integrate with the native Irish …( to themselves they are British….to the rest of the world they’re Irish )….well time is running out….within a short period of time a stark reality is looming…..some people will have to acknowledge their nationality !

          • Tam August 21, 2017 at 4:14 pm #

            I never said you did, but you did say there would be no peace until there was a ‘united Ireland’, which means you are saying nationalists will always be violent until they get what they want.

            Now you say the only ones threatening and using violence are Unionists.

            Which is it?

        • Tam August 19, 2017 at 5:36 pm #

          And the GFA merely restated the provision for a referendum.

  3. Cal August 19, 2017 at 12:27 pm #

    The middle class of unionism will of course be open to economic arguments. They’re also being left without any political representation in opposing hard brexit as their political parties parrot the latest brain fart of David Davis. Membership of the EU with all the economic benefits that can bring is a huge incentive for Irish reunification.

  4. giordanobruno August 19, 2017 at 1:19 pm #

    The Féile exists largely as a propaganda vehicle for the Sinn Fein world view as we all know, so it is hardly surprising that unionists are not queuing up to take part, especially this year when they are on a (probably brief) high from their electoral good fortune.
    Fair play to Jeffrey Donaldson for having turned up in previous years and I agree it is a pity no-one stepped up.
    Maybe if they have been reading the regular comments here referring to them as Neanderthals bigots racists terrorist sympathisers etc they could be forgiven for not feeling like joining in.
    It does leave Sinn Fein once again preaching to the choir in West Belfast which is a shame especially when they have no effective forum in which to argue their case at present
    As to the economic factor in a possible united Ireland it is I think certainly a factor for both nationalists and unionists, but if the likely outcome is to leave people slightly better off or slightly worse off it will probably not swing many votes either way.

  5. Paddy maguire August 19, 2017 at 1:50 pm #

    Shared unionist culture – ICI, MITCHELLIN, GALLAGHERS, MACKIES, SHIPYARD, ROPEWORKS, etc. Gerrymandered councils, eg, Derry. Coleraine university. God save the queen at the flicks, swings locked on Sunday, M1 built to Dungannon! And on and on………….

    • Tam August 19, 2017 at 5:37 pm #

      The M1 to Dungannon benefited the West of the province.

      • fiosrach August 19, 2017 at 6:36 pm #


    • dedeideoprofundis August 20, 2017 at 9:38 pm #

      The M1 was built to Moygashel.

  6. paddykool August 19, 2017 at 2:38 pm #

    I read the piece and am left singularly unimpressed. I’ve no doubt that Robin Swann is a pleasant enough man and generally comes across well on television .He has his own point of view based on a history shared and handed down with and by a formerly historically displaced people whose main claim to fame is that they didn’t completely fully succeed in assimilating properly into Ireland . They kept them selves apart and separated .It’s a simple fact that this little state was chopped out as a new “homeland” for this minority grouping in Ireland as a whole ,against the good sense of everyone else involved .Many in the British Establishment thought it was not the best idea for long-term stability or even a possible rapprochment of Ireland entire and the Other Island. so it proved and it took a lifetime befor ethe current Queen of England was again able to visit Dublin on friendly terms. Separating Ireland in “homelands” for specific groups of people would be as crazy as having specific barrios for our italians, Chines , Indians or Poles. It is incoceivable that the end result would make sense.
    The queen did something that many current unionists still cannot get their heads around and would still prefer that she had done no such thing at all..Their “loyalty” is supposedly to her and her Germanic/ Greek family but that might be an illusion too..The current state in which they reside was fiddled to be a wholly unionist enclave and that ,to me ,has given it scant legitimacy.Now that there is no real majority for that position as the numbers have gradually fallen, unionism’s position is actually at the weakest it has ever been at any time in this state’s history and unless it somehow convinces current nationalists that they are onto something good , they will continue to lose traction.The so -called recent negotiatiing victory by the DUP is a hollow affair given that they were banging on Theresa May’s open and have door spent the past ten years destroying any possibility of nationalism wanting to work with them as benevolent partners.They are now simply seen as untrustworthy, arrogant and ultimately renegers on deals. With that in mind it is also seen that they do not want to be like modern Britain at all .They don’t want the place to have the same British or Irish rights that everyone else accepts as the norm everywhere else on these two islands That makes them singularly oddities to everyone else and it has been noted here and abroad..They still want to be different creatures in their own specific little odd “homeland” with their own strange and arcane beliefs, some of which make no common -sense at all.That does not make them modern , current British people at all, to me or anyone else, no matter what they might believe themselves ..As far as the benefits of being part of modern Britain ,financially , socially or in any other way as compared to being in a future re-united Ireland …especially post-Brexit, those are things that can be addressed in a reasonable manner and by reasonable discussion. Our current NHS is already in trouble and needs fixing ,in any case. Who is to say that Health will not be made a priority in a future re-united Ireland ?It might then be seen that there are those in Ireland who may have more in common with the folks in England or Wales than many current Irish unionists have .

    • Tam August 19, 2017 at 5:39 pm #

      There is no ‘Queen of England’.

      And the Royal Family is not Germanic. Your racism is apparent.

      • paddykool August 19, 2017 at 6:38 pm #

        I’m not sure where you’ve been hiding during history classes , Tam , but it’s hardly racist to mention that you should already know that the current Queen Elizabeth comes in a direct line from the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha , renamed the House of Windsor, rather than spook the horses with anti -German sentiment around the time of World War One when the two old empires collided…. and that Princess Andrew of Greece and Denmark was the mother( and grew up in England also in the German Empire and in the Mediterranean)….of Prince Philip ( Elizabeth’s consort ,just recently retired from servicer), Duke of Edinburgh and she was mother-in-law of Queen Elizabeth II. She was a great-granddaughter of Queen Victoria who married to Prince albert of He was born in the Saxon duchy of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld….. and there’s not a racist bone in my body ……just the facts.

        • Tam August 19, 2017 at 6:50 pm #

          Yes, it is racist to deny somebody’s nationality based on the nationality of some of their ancestors.

          • paddykool August 19, 2017 at 8:00 pm #

            Nationality , is it , Tam?…and what nationality would Prince Philip be ?you are the one humg up on racism and nationality …

          • Tam August 19, 2017 at 8:29 pm #

            British. Why?

          • paddykool August 19, 2017 at 9:56 pm #

            He was Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark…. of the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, Philip was born into the Greek and Danish royal families. He was born in Greece, but his family was exiled from the country when he was an infant. After being educated in France, Germany, and the United Kingdom.Before the official announcement of his engagement to the current queen in July 1947, he abandoned his Greek and Danish royal titles and became a naturalised British “subject”(of the then monarch) rather than any sort of citizen of another country , adopting as he did , the surname Mountbatten from his maternal grandparents. . Notice he became a a “subject” of Britain , but being British is not a nationality, such as Welsh, Scottish , Irish or English. It is a nebulous thing.

          • Tam August 19, 2017 at 10:11 pm #


          • giordanobruno August 19, 2017 at 10:57 pm #

            I don’t suppose you would question anyone else, say of West Indian origin for example, if they referred to themselves as British.
            I understand you do not like the monarchy and I am not a fan myself, but the silly jabs about Philip’s Greek origins and indeed Elizabeth’s German heritage are beside the point and I can’t see the relevance. So what does it matter?

          • Tam August 19, 2017 at 11:08 pm #

            An acceptable form of racism?

          • giordanobruno August 20, 2017 at 8:53 am #

            I don’t believe paddy is racist just because he refers to Philip and Liz’s background.
            Just like when he referred to Arlene’s appearance he was not being sexist.
            Just like when he refers to unionists as Neanderthals he is not being bigoted.
            Paddy doesn’t have a racist sexist or bigoted bone in his body!

          • paddykool August 20, 2017 at 9:26 am #

            That’ s correct gio…I’m only stating the facts…all irony aside. It’s hard to argue with any of it .What i really wonder about is how sentimental connection can be made to something as interchangeable as the idea of monarchy and a “specially bred” family that is supposed to be a touchstone for a nation.In the case of certain Norneverlanders , indeed a touchstone for their sense of a nebulous Britishness…given that their DNA is rooted in an otherness thta they might usually quietly abhor. The very reason thta the family re-registered itself in the public mind as the House of Windsor was for that very reason.So we can asume a certain canniness and manipulation at their core. Some , like yourself gio , I would assume are one of those who readily see through the fascade.I do not necessarily hate the monarchy or anyone else but i do hate the mental laziness that allows some of our neanderthals to sup up any old tosh as golden truth.Like isay the facts have a habit of getting in the way of the fantasy.I can easily argue that to be a public figure in the modern world requires an unholy amount of public relations and entails microscopic public scrutiny.That means that a politician , film actor or a pop star has placed themselves right there in the critical sights and have to be prepared for all and every criticisms that follow.It is simply the way of the world and not sexist at all.Mention of the forgotten Arlene brings the question , what great good did this person , male ,female or transgender ,do for any of us and why should she not be scritinised. If my memory serves , it was her truculence and not her gender that brought the political show to a standstill.

          • Tam August 20, 2017 at 9:30 am #

            Nice attempt at retrospectively constructing an argument to justify your apparently racist comment.

          • paddykool August 20, 2017 at 9:43 am #

            You still don’t get it Tam ….my family is completely inter-racial.It is not about race for me.You are late coming to this conversational game and ill-informed ,if you really believe that.

          • giordanobruno August 20, 2017 at 9:53 am #

            People do indeed believe any old tosh as we know from looking at religion. But what do you care if the British people including unionists like to have a royal family to entertain them? It s not as if they worship them or anything. Other countries enjoy having Royalty too. Up to them.
            I suppose it is just easier to point out the shortcomings of others than to examine ourselves, wouldn’t you say?

          • Tam August 20, 2017 at 10:04 am #

            I’ve no interest in your family Paddy. I’m only responding to what you write here, which includes disparaging comments with a racist subtext, i.e. querying the nationality of people based on their ancestry.

          • paddykool August 20, 2017 at 10:51 am #

            Well it’s a fact Tam that nationality or the idea of nationality is at the core of most conflicts.It does not follow that it is racist to query the idea of identity and identifiers when people who were born and living in Ireland …for one example have real problems with their sense of actual identity as Irish people.

          • Tam August 20, 2017 at 11:30 am #

            Changing the subject again, Paddy? Your comment wasn’t about people born and living in Ireland.

          • paddykool August 20, 2017 at 11:43 am #

            Is it the line “Their “loyalty” is supposedly to her and her Germanic/ Greek family but that might be an illusion too”…that you are referring to as somehow racist ,or is it something else that we may have missed?…explain please …and if it is the case where does your version of racism come into the equation? These are historical facts . I’m sure there are many other baffled readers besides myself who would like something resembling a coherent answer.

          • Tam August 20, 2017 at 12:01 pm #

            It’s already been stated, Paddy. It’s your attempt to query the Britishness of a family by referring disparagingly to it as ‘Germanic’ because some of its ancestors were German.

          • paddykool August 20, 2017 at 1:41 pm #

            ..but Tam it was you who said …”Yes, it is racist to deny somebody’s nationality based on the nationality of some of their ancestors.”…. what was being pointed out was that “Britishness ” is not an actual nationality , which is why it was explained what a nationality actually entailed.You can be “British” and live anywhere you like but if you are born in a specific country that simple fact dictates your nationality so it is perfectly valid to point out that Queen Victoria’s husband was not an Englishman and neither is the current Prince Philip, whereas someone such as the aforementioned Arlene is very much an Irishwoman , having been born on the island of Ireland. It is not a racist thing to point that out .I have the same position with supporters of specific football teams across the British Isles. I find it fascinating thta someone from a small town say….Essex might be a massive supporter of Manchester United . there is nothing specific in how a loyalty like that might grow, but it is damned interesting.

          • Tam August 20, 2017 at 1:54 pm #

            But Britishness is an “actual nationality”.

            And Queen Victoria’s husband not being an Englishman doesn’t mean the present Royal Family is German. Not Prince Philip ‘not being an Englishman’ (as you presume).

            It is racist to think so.

          • Tam August 20, 2017 at 1:56 pm #

            By your own argument all the members of the Royal Family are English) except for Philip as they were all born in England. They’re not German.

            You’re twisting yourself in circles trying to sidestep your racist remark.

          • Tam August 20, 2017 at 2:01 pm #

            So it seems you are denying an entire family’s nationality because the mother married someone not born in the same country. This is the kind of racist ‘pure blood’ reasoning favoured by the alt-right.

          • Eolach August 21, 2017 at 1:03 pm #

            Tam , Unionists spend their entire lifetime denying their own nationality…their ancestors were Scots and English but they are definitely Irish….Oh I love the irony of it all !

      • fiosrach August 19, 2017 at 6:40 pm #

        There is no Queen of England? You’re excelling yourself today, Tam. Is she Queen of the U.K. Or the Queen of Britain? And how did they change their name from Saxe Coburg Gotha if they weren’t German? Or maybe when they moved to England they became English. Pity the crowd from Britain wouldn’t do that over here.

        • Tam August 19, 2017 at 6:52 pm #

          Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

          The Queen was never called Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, and even if she was that wouldn’t make her German.

          • fiosrach August 19, 2017 at 7:05 pm #

            Is she English because she was born in England? How come the unionists here who were born in Ireland are not Irish? They are here for hundreds of years. How did the BrItish in America become American?

    • Pointis August 20, 2017 at 1:14 am #

      Paddy, that is a nice piece you wrote. I like that.

      • paddykool August 20, 2017 at 11:48 am #

        It seems Pointis that you are one of the few who actually read it and understood exactly what was said…

        • giordanobruno August 20, 2017 at 12:25 pm #

          Because only people who like it could have understood it eh?

          • paddykool August 20, 2017 at 1:44 pm #

            That doesn’t exactly tell me anything gio, but it is very obvious that there are some who read more into what is actually written than what is being said.

          • giordanobruno August 20, 2017 at 2:40 pm #

            Based on what point is said,which was only one line there was no way to tell if he had understood your contribution or nor, but because he liked it you made the assumption.
            However it is no big deal. Just amusing myself on a quiet Sunday.

        • Pointis August 20, 2017 at 1:04 pm #

          Paddy I am probably not the only one who liked it but I think some feel disconcerted by what would seem to be a orchestrated attempt of group trolling people who have made a point in order to intimidate them from making another.

          • paddykool August 20, 2017 at 6:40 pm #

            You mean there really are trolls under the bridge , Pointis? Ha ha .

        • Tam August 20, 2017 at 1:10 pm #

          What is it that you wrote that we’re supposed to have liked or not liked?

          • paddykool August 20, 2017 at 1:45 pm #

            See above , Tam…

    • Stephen Kelly August 20, 2017 at 9:10 pm #

      Great post paddykool you also have great patience i personally have tam and gio on the scroll wheel LOL.

  7. Tam August 19, 2017 at 5:41 pm #

    Is this the type of thing that happens at Feile?

    • Wolfe tone August 19, 2017 at 6:40 pm #

      Lmfao! Thanks for that video. That song always gets the people on their feet. Snowflake unionists should learn to accept there are people that simply admire their fellow Irish brothers and sisters for having the temerity to take on the British war machine. This song is simply a celebration of that fact. Btw, I didn’t see kids participating in a ‘hatefest’ but merely singing “ooh aah up the RA”. Wasn’t a crime the last time I looked ………..although unionist snowflakes would dearly wish it to be.

      • Tam August 19, 2017 at 6:53 pm #

        Disgusting to see children being indoctrinated in hate cheered on by their parents. Sick.

        • fiosrach August 19, 2017 at 7:06 pm #

          We’re quick learners.

        • Wolfe tone August 20, 2017 at 9:45 am #

          Again I’ll repeat for the very slow, I saw no people involving themselves in ‘hate’ or ‘hatefests’ in that video. They were merely singing “ooh aah up the RA” which would suggest love rather than hate. Could it be that it is you that hates and thus want to see what you want to see? I.e your hate is blinding you to reality?

          Unionist snowflakes like yourself should learn to accept that there are people who have pride in Irish republican resistance against British interference in their country. Just like Irish republicans have to accept that there are people who view British interference in Ireland as honourable and admirable. Perhaps unionist snowflakes can’t accept this due to the fact their leaders kept telling them that “we won the war” and all that malarkey? Fact is nobody won. Learn to live with that fact and then everything should become a lot easier for your stress levels. You’ll be able to smile like you mean it.

          • Tam August 20, 2017 at 10:10 am #

            Chanting in support of a sectarian terrorist group that murdered 2000 people and chanting fuck your flag and queen is clearly a manifestation of thuggish hatred.

          • Wolfe tone August 20, 2017 at 7:15 pm #

            “Chanting in support of a sectarian terrorist group that murdered 2000 people and chanting fuck your flag and queen is clearly a manifestation of thuggish hatred.”

            What video were you watching? It certainly wasn’t the video you posted. Nobody was “chanting in support of a sectarian group” in that video. Again, are you seeing what you want to see just to sate your hate? Smile like you mean it is what you need.

  8. M M August 20, 2017 at 12:13 am #

    Tam’s so disgusted with this place that he spends half the day posting on it!

  9. Dan August 20, 2017 at 8:49 pm #

    Unionism has been for sale many times.
    Didnt Theresa May just buy it?

    • Tam August 20, 2017 at 9:02 pm #


    • huge Celt. August 20, 2017 at 9:34 pm #

      Merely hired it out on a short-term arrangement.

      Jeremy is coming for Xmas.