Mervyn, Martin, Jean and Joan

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First, this damp May morning, a brief word about our old friend the Reverend  Mervyn Gibson. You’ll remember (or not) that a day or two back I commented on his less-than-totally Christian comment at a Belfast meeting:  “I see they’ve painted a new mural to him [Gerry Adams] on the Falls Road. Sadly, it’s not a memorial mural. In the Irish Times  yesterday, in an article headed “Orange Order chaplain defends ‘memorial’ comment about Adams”,  the newspaper’s Gerry Moriarty says they contacted the Reverend Mervyn and he said “I was wishing no one dead, nor would I.”  That’s it. He said it was a pity the Adams mural wasn’t a memorial mural and yet he wasn’t wishing anyone dead. Surprisingly, the paper doesn’t appear to have followed up and got further explanation of a statement that, on the face of it, is a contradiction in terms. Either that or they could have switched those inverted commas to read: “Orange Order chaplain ‘defends’ memorial comment about Adams”. Where did I get the idea that the fourth estate were the guardians of truth and democracy, when a daft defence of a deeply unChristian wish like the Reverend Mervyn’s is allowed to go unchallenged?

In today’s Irish Times, Fianna Fáil’s Martin Mansergh blows apart any lingering doubts that the Boston Tapes project was a get-Adams affair:

“Anthony McIntyre has engaged before, during and after the project, in repeated polemical attacks on the Sinn Féin leadership’s conduct of the peace process, suggesting a more immediate political, and not just a long-term scholarly, intention.

To give just one instance, in his collected articles Good Friday: The Death of Irish Republicanism, he refers in April 2004 to “the nauseating spectacle of Sinn Féin at the Republican plot”. Ed Moloney in his foreword argues that the Adams-McGuinness leadership employed “ambiguity, deception, dishonesty, betrayal, duplicity etc”, calls their allies “a bunch of authoritarian Stalinist control freaks”, and expresses frustration that Adams and McGuinness have managed to escape “Houdini-like from the straitjacket of IRA violence”.

Finally, for the umpteenth time, last night’s Nolan Show  on BBC NI once again told viewers the tale of the death of Jean McConville and the shattering of the lives of her family. There is something horrible and haunting about that blurred picture of her sitting with some of her soon-to-be-orphaned children. But it’s obvious to a one-eyed man on a galloping horse that this cruel killing has been highlighted above all others because, it was thought, it could be tied to Gerry Adams. I mentioned Joan Connolly, a mother of eight,  and her death at the hands of British paratroopers in an earlier blog. One commenter informed readers that Joan’s death happened when she was caught in cross-fire in a battle between the IRA, loyalists and the British army. If the commenter is right, then Joan Connolly’s daughter Briege Vovle  is a liar. Here is her account of her mother’s death:

“I went down to the house and my daddy was there but my other sister wasn’t back and neither was my mummy. An hour later my sister – she was only 12 – came into the house. We all waited but my mummy never returned home.

As soon as it was light, my eldest sister went around all the centres to see if my mummy was there. She came back crying, she couldn’t find her.

My daddy went to a neighbour’s house and used their telephone to ring the hospital. He asked if a woman with red hair had been admitted and they said, ‘Yes, but she’s in the morgue.’ That’s how my daddy found out.

Our neighbour went with my father to identify my mummy and then they came back home and told us. As you can imagine, with six girls and two boys, eight children and the youngest only three, the house was in uproar.”

The youngest children, my sister and I were taken to a refugee camp over the border.

We were in Waterford when a RTÉ news bulletin came on the television and that’s how we learned my mummy had been buried that day. It was like a nightmare. We couldn’t grasp it. We stayed with relatives but cried to go home. We imagined home would be like it always had been but it wasn’t. It was an empty shell without my mummy.

We had already been through a terrible ordeal but it didn’t stop there. The paratroopers continued to torture us. They used to sing ‘Where’s your mama gone?’ outside our door and you couldn’t walk down the street without them taunting you. We were all so terrified.

The soldiers deliberately targeted the families of those who had been killed. But we all tried to get on with life. I went to school with Mr Teggart’s daughter and John Laverty’s sister – the three of us in the same classroom but we never spoke about it; no one spoke about it.

My mummy was standing talking when the soldiers came out of Henry Taggart Fort and opened up.

She managed to run away but when she heard a young man crying, she left her place of safety. Witnesses heard her say, ‘Don’t cry, son, you’ll be alright. I’m coming to help you.’ She was wearing a skirt, she had a mop of red hair and it was still light but some of the soldiers who shot my mummy claimed they didn’t realise they’d shot a woman.

She took the first shot to the side of her head and she was heard to cry out that she was blind and couldn’t see. Three sisters in a nearby house saw her wandering confused around the field. They knocked the window to tell her to come into the house but when she turned around they saw half of her face was gone.

The autopsy report said if she had been brought to hospital after the first shot my mummy would have survived. But she was repeatedly shot and then left to bleed to death.

The coroner’s report says my mummy was shot, once or twice, in the head, she was shot in the shoulder and the same round came out through her hand and she had multiple wounds at the top of her thigh.

Six soldiers made statements regarding my mummy. Three claimed responsibility for her death. All their accounts contradicted each other. One said he was shooting at someone firing at him from a roof; another at someone crawling in the grass firing at him with a rifle; another says it was a machine gun.

One soldier admitted firing then exchanging guns with another soldier and firing again. I don’t know much about the army but, to me, when a soldier is issued a gun, that’s his and nobody else uses it. It was as if they were trying out different weapons – it was like a sport to them.

If these paratroopers had been held to account there never would have been a Bloody Sunday, or Springhill. But they never were. They were given immunity; they gave themselves immunity. My mummy wasn’t in the wrong place at the wrong time. That’s where we lived. You could see where my mummy was murdered from our back window.”

 Where does all that leave us? With a blood-soaked past that we all confront because of genuine concern for the victims, not so we can use selected victims to political advantage. Either all parties – including the British authorities – opt into a truth and reconciliation process, where everyone, without fear of legal penalty, owns up to what they did during the conflict; or we put a ban on return to the past suffering and injustice and, with clenched teeth, face into the future.

72 Responses to Mervyn, Martin, Jean and Joan

  1. madadh mór May 8, 2014 at 9:15 am #

    I wonder will Stephen Nolan and the rest of the media vultures read this?

    • Liam Stone May 8, 2014 at 9:41 am #

      Jude, another excellent article, However the section above quoted by yourself about the Ballymurphy Massacre was written by Briege Vovle, (daughter of Joan Connolly) and not by Janet Donnelly ( daughter of Joe Murphy, another victim of the Massacre).

      • Jude Collins May 8, 2014 at 10:33 am #

        I do believe you’re right. My apologies. I’ll correct it instanter. Thanks for pointing that out.

  2. RJC May 8, 2014 at 9:37 am #

    It’s a shame that The Irish Times appears content to operate merely as a mouthpiece for Fianna Fáil. The Guardian’s reporting on matters Northern is far more nuanced, and amidst the clamour you get some healthy debates raging below the line.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/07/ira-fugitives-linked-to-killings

    The OTR thing is potentially far more damaging to the DUP than it is to SF. I’m not sure that everyone has grasped this yet.

  3. William Fay May 8, 2014 at 9:52 am #

    Jude, good morning and an interesting topic for today.
    McIntyre is anti peace full stop and had an agenda. It is my belief and I may be wrong, he wanted to corner Gerry Adams and Ed Maloney wanted a big scoop. Why did McIntyre want to do this, was it anything to do with Adams using the IRA to achieve his own ends? Did Adams use the hunger strikers to further his aims, did he allow the IRA commit atrocities in order to achieve his political aims?

    “If the commentator is right, then Joan Connolly’s daughter is a liar”, very well put, Jude, gain the maximum effect. I researched the report on Joan Connolly’s murder from a number of books and on-line documents, whether she was deliberately targeted by the soldiers or caught in a cross-fire, we don’t know, the soldiers know the answer. But how does these make Janet’s recollections of her mothers death make her a liar, what she said is hearsay, she was told by other people. So unless you have access to the full investigation, that statement is grossly unfair, she states what she has been told and obviously believes, and as a young those harrowing memories stay with her. But is it a true recollection of the facts, I don’t know, and may I humbly suggest, neither do you.

    • Jude Collins May 8, 2014 at 10:32 am #

      And good morning to you, William. My word, you’re a busy little chap – or maybe like myself you’ve nothing better to do…
      Ah – I see we’ve moved from the Gerry Adams-Jean McConville tie-up to the Gerry Adams-hunger-strikers tie-up. Well done. There must be lots of others when you run out of gas.
      So – Joan Connolly is wrong about the death of her mother, as others have fed her lies about the woman’s death. Mmm. I don’t remember that being suggested about any part in Michael McConville’s moving testimony last night on Nolan. Sorry, William old boy. I may not know and you almost certainly don’t know but I think Joan Connolly’s daughter is unlikely to buy a tissue of lies about her own mother. Besides which fact, my central point is that Joan Connolly’s death was cruel and left a young family, just like that of Jean McConville. The difference is that Jean’s sad story has been headlined again and again, while Joan’s is virtually unknown to the general public. I wonder why that would be. Mmm – let me think…

      • Jude Collins May 8, 2014 at 11:02 am #

        Oops – another correction. Tá bron orm. In the third line of my response to William, I say that ‘Joan Connolly is wrong about the death of her mother’ – that should of course read’ Briege Vovle is wrong about …’ etc. At least I spotted that blooper myself…

      • William Fay May 8, 2014 at 11:13 am #

        Sorry Jude but my post is a direct answer to your morning blog. Do you think there is no basis to my views on Adams? At least the Jude Collins Support Gerry Adams Column will give him some succour.
        By the way Joan’s daughter is called Janet. And once again, you are mis-representing me, I did not say she was wrong, I stated what she was told is hearsay. As a young girl how could she not but believe what she was told. In relation to the McConville case, correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Michael McConville there when his mother was taken, was he not taken away later by the junior IRA and beaten and threatened. As I’ve previously stated, if the McConville family are becoming so tiresome, maybe we could someone to threaten them, again.

      • giordanobruno May 8, 2014 at 2:11 pm #

        Jude
        What William says is factually correct.I don’t know why you are having a go at him for pointing it out.
        Joan Connolly’s family do not know exactly what happened to her, that is why an enquiry is needed.
        Many of course have already decided which truth suits them best. To paraphrase Thomas Aquinas:
        To those who believe, no enquiry is necessary,to those who do not believe no enquiry would convince.
        Sinn Fein have no real interest in victims unless it is to further their own ends. That is why they negotiated an agreement for ‘on the runs’ benefitting the volunteers in their paramiltary wing even though they must have known it would damage the chances of justice for victims of state forces such as the families in Ballymurphy

        • Antonio May 8, 2014 at 7:48 pm #

          Gio

          I’d just like to point out that many people do not know exactly what happened to Jean McConville and who was involved yet frequently make statements about it as though they are undeniable fact. For example, a very nice girl said to me a few years ago – ”Why Is Gerry Adams going to County Louth, sure that is where he buried people!!!! ” I suggested she should add an ‘allegedly’ and this shocked her that I could say such a thing

          On another occasion I suggested to the same nice girl that there was British intelligence collusion in the Dublin/Monaghan bombings and she looked at me shocked and said I shouldn’t say such things without definite proof.

          It saddened me a little that some one like her, from a nationalist background, was so willing to accept the most awful accusations against Irish nationalist politicians but other accusations of dreadful actions where some of our dear, benevolent neighbours from across the water could have been involved were met with caution, even hostility that I had ‘the nerve’ to say such things.

          Now this may be a bit of an obvious idea and of course many would dismiss it as an inability to accept criticism of Sinn Fein on my part etc etc or some would start engaging in endless whataboutery with me etc.

          But rather than pointing your finger of blame at Sinn Fein for no inquiry into the Ballymurphy Murders why not point an accusatory finger at the British State for there being no inquiry into the killings carried out by their soldiers,

          There will be no inquiry into Ballymurphy. Is talk about ‘on the runs’ not ‘whataboutery’ ? Is pointing the finger of blame at Sinn Fein not letting the real perpetrators of this injustice ‘off the hook’ because it is a distraction. It gets Irish people bickering amongst themselves.

          Assuming you are right and Sinn Fein don’t give a damn about victims and negotiated a deal to benefit their own ‘para-military’ wing only, then surely the British government are at least equally guilty of having no real interest in victims unless it is to further their own ends.

          Perhaps those at the helm of the great liberal democracy across the water were talking in these terms amongst themselves in the late nineties: ”Forget about Justice for all the people murdered by the IRA. If we gave a hoot about that we would have made big efforts for peace a decade ago. What’s the best way to ensure these mad paddy bastards don’t bomb the stock exchange again. ”’

          In short what I am wondering is could you ever turn your ‘devil advocates’ views away from Sinn Fein and republicans and towards others such as the British State, the southern State, unionists or even Constitutional nationalists. Just for a little while even .

          • giordanobruno May 8, 2014 at 8:08 pm #

            Antonio
            Fair comment.
            If you could be bothered to check my history you would see a number of comments critical of the British government,Unionists, the OO, as well as SF.
            But I admit I mainly have a go at the Shinners on here. Maybe because there seem to be more than enough comments of the ‘well done Jude’ variety. It would be very dull if it was all like that.
            Or maybe it is the cultish nature of SF that bothers me. We should be grown up enough to voice criticism of the party we support, but really how often does Jude deviate from the script?
            I agree about the British government,they care as little about victims as do SF, but the point about the OTR deal is not whataboutery as I think it directly impacted on cases like the Ballymurphy one.

        • Antonio May 9, 2014 at 4:50 pm #

          You say Sinn Fein cared nothing for victims of the Troubles and their negotiation of an at least partial amnesty for IRA ‘on the runs’ is indicative of this callous disregard for ‘victims’ of the ‘Troubles’.

          Looking at it from another angle the Leaders of Sinn Fein were fully aware that there were those within the IRA who were determined to continue the ‘armed struggle’ and others who were sceptical of the Good Friday Agreement and by negotiation on behalf of ‘on the runs’ they sought to encourage these sceptics or even ‘war mongers’ within the IRA to side with them in ending the ‘armed struggle’ and thereby prevent there be any more victims in the future.

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    Lord Paul Bew and the GAL – the Get Adams League

    Though we didn’t know it at the time, the instigation of the Boston College oral history project signalled the launch of the GAL – the Get Adams League

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    Paul Bew – In 2002 he referred to Gerry Adams as smelling like “rotten cabbage”.

    Up until a few days ago very few of the reports regarding the interview tapes of ex IRA members that led to the arrest of Gerry Adams, carried a mention of ‘Lord’ Paul Bew – a central figure within the British establishment and signatory to the neo-conservative Henry Jackson principles.

    Yet it was Paul Bew who initiated the fiasco that was the Boston College oral history project and Paul Bew who appointed Ed Moloney and Anthony McIntyre to work on the project. This is not me saying this but both Ed Moloney and Boston College themselves – look at this from the preface of Ed Moloney’s own book Voices From The Grave, which was based on some of the interview tapes. The book’s preface was written by Boston College officials Professor Tom Hachey (head of Irish Studies) and Dr Bob O’Neill (head of the Burns Library at BC):

    ‘Paul Bew, politics professor and senior political adviser to a Northern Ireland first minister, together with two historians who remain anonymous, assisted in an assessment of the information contained in the recorded interviews. Lord Bew strongly encouraged Boston College to document and archive the stories of paramilitaries who fought on both sides of the sectarian divide, known more popularly as the Troubles, because it was such a natural fit.’ (Voices From The Grave, Faber and Faber, 2010, p.1.)

    For some reason Ed Moloney has now tried to downplay the importance of Paul Bew to the Boston project by asserting that Bew had simply been a ‘messenger boy’, but the quote above from Moloney’s own book gives the lie to that assertion. The excellent researcher and journalist Tom Griffen has written tellingly on this issue here:
    http://www.tomgriffin.org/the_green_ribbon/2014/04/was-lord-bew-really-just-ed-moloneys-message-boy.html

    To put the final nail in the argument, let us again listen to Moloney himself in the book Voices from the Grave where in his own introduction he describes Paul Bew’s input as ‘crucial’:

    “In addition to Tom Hachey, Bob O’Neill, Patrick Keating, Anthony Mcintyre and Wilson McArthur, I would like to thank and credit a number of other people for their help in making this book possible … Professor, now Lord, Bew, whose support at the very outset of the project was crucial …’

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    Why has Ed Moloney sought to downplay the role of Paul Bew?

    Thus we can be clear that both Boston College and Ed Moloney have previously stressed the importance of Paul Bew in the instigation of the infamous oral history project. But what has not been widely publicised or discussed (and this is perhaps the reason for Moloney’s coyness over Bew) is the fact that Paul Bew not only set the Boston tapes ball rolling, it was Paul Bew who selected Ed Moloney and Anthony McIntyre to oversee and research/record interviewees respectively in the first place. Look at this article by Beth McMurtrie “Secrets From Belfast” – where she highlights Paul Bew’s role:
    http://chronicle.com/article/Secrets-from-Belfast/144059/

    ‘So it was not surprising when, in the spring of 2000, a visiting scholar from Queen’s University Belfast, Paul Bew, suggested to Mr. O’Neill that he consider documenting the recent history of Northern Ireland. Mr. Bew recommended Mr. Moloney, an intense and seemingly fearless journalist who was not averse to risky projects. Having spent decades getting to know people on both sides of the conflict, he was in the process of writing A Secret History of the IRA, a behind-the-scenes look at how the organization had shifted from the gun to the ballot box in its quest for influence.’

    And in a subsequent quote where Boston College makes clear that they depended on Paul Bew’s advice for selecting the oral history team:

    ‘Mr. Hachey says he didn’t feel anyone on the campus had the necessary expertise. Although a number of faculty members studied Irish culture, history, and literature, he says, “I was looking for someone who was an unequivocal expert” on modern-day Northern Ireland. He relied on the advice of Mr. Bew, who not only had recommended Mr. Moloney but also had been Mr. McIntyre’s adviser at Queen’s.’

    There we have it, Paul Bew not only instigated the Boston College oral history project, he also chose Ed Moloney, whom he knew to be writing a book that was critical of Sinn Féin, and McIntyre whom he already knew because he had tutored him on his Queens doctorate which was entitled “Modern Irish republicanism: the product of British state strategies”.

    Bew, in other words knew exactly where Moloney and McIntyre were coming from when appointing them. But the Boston College quote above makes clear that Bew’s influence and that of other anonymous figures went even further. Because even though the media has ignored this fact, both Ed Moloney and Boston College make clear that Paul Bew and these other background figures assessed the value of the interviews carried out by Anthony McIntyre and another researcher. Once again, this is not me saying this. This key information is provided in Ed Moloney’s book Voices From The Grave and it bears repeating:

    ‘Paul Bew, politics professor and senior political adviser to a Northern Ireland first minister, together with two historians who remain anonymous, assisted in an assessment of the information contained in the recorded interviews.’

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    Sinn Féin leaders – these are the bad guys right?

    Once again Ed Moloney, following the sensational arrest of Gerry Adams by the PSNI’s legacy unit, seems to be involved in telling a half truth about who saw, listened to, or had access to the controversial interview material. In a blog from his Broken Elbow site, he tells us that only one person, other than himself and Anthony McIntyre, has read the whole archive of the interview tapes and that was a US Federal Court judge.
    http://thebrokenelbow.com/2014/05/03/boston-tapes-exclusive-content-of-interviews-sought-by-psni-revealed/

    “Only one person, other than myself and Anthony McIntyre has read the entire archive and that was the US Federal Court judge, William Young who heard the case seeking the dismissal of the PSNI subpoenas in December 2011.”

    But what Moloney, for some reason, fails to point out to his readers is that Boston College told us in his own book (Voices From The Grave) that Paul Bew and other unnamed historians assessed the interviews carried out by Anthony McIntyre. Now at this juncture we can see that not only Ed Moloney but Paul Bew and the unnamed historians have a big problem.

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    Boston College accused of Anthony McIntyre of having ‘led’ his interviewees.

    If it’s true that Paul Bew and other, for some reason, anonymous historians (who were these people?) either assessed the transcripts or actually listened to the interview tapes that led to the arrest of Gerry Adams (according to the PSNI), why was Bew not interviewed by the PSNI and why did Bew (a well respected academic) not raise the alarm about the standard of interviewing and its possible bias on the part of Anthony McIntyre?

    Boston College has been very clear on this point. In early 2000, a former head of Irish studies at Boston College Kevin O’Neill (no relation to the Bob O’Neill referred to above) was asked to review a couple of interview transcripts and this is how Beth McMurtrie describes his reaction:
    http://chronicle.com/article/Secrets-from-Belfast/144059/

    ‘He had been asked by Mr. Hachey in early 2002 to review a couple of interview transcripts. He wrote a memorandum saying that he was impressed by their potential value to historians, but was very concerned that the interviewer didn’t appear to have much experience with oral-history methodology—asking leading questions, for example.’

    So in early 2002 Kevin O’Neill accused Anthony McIntyre of having ‘led” (ie prompted) his interviewees. In all the correspondence and literature I have seen, there is no reference to Paul Bew and the anonymous historians who assessed the tapes, ringing alarm bells about the standard of interviewing. So maybe Kevin O’Neill was mistaken? Not so according to Boston College. In an interview with US journalist Brook Gladstone, another Boston College figure, director of News and Public Affairs Jack Dunn, also accused McIntyre of having weak interview techniques:

    “The shame of it is that Anthony conducted the interviews with the IRA members and those who have heard the tapes said his work was very weak. Kevin O’Neill Boston College said that he was stunned by how leading the questions were.’

    It’s only fair to say that Anthony McIntyre, and Ed Moloney, fiercely disputed Boston College’s criticism of their interview techniques and overall MO, but if one looks at the bile and vitriol that McIntyre has directed towards Gerry Adams and other Sinn Féin leaders over the years one is, at the very least, left with a suspicion that he was the wrong person for Paul Bew to pick for the sensitive job of interviewing the likes of former IRA people who themselves were very bitter about Gerry Adams. Or at least Paul Bew might have ensured a broader spread of republican views.

    For the record, my take on the ensuing row between Boston College and Moloney/McIntyre is that the latter have a point in saying that the college was happy to participate and even enjoy the fruits of the their work. However, it seems clear to me that Boston College was not fully aware that they were taking on two bitter opponents of Sinn Féin in general and Gerry Adams in particular, which brings us inevitably back to Paul Bew. Did Paul Bew make Moloney and McIntyre’s anti Adams bias clear to Boston College when recommending them?

    I can find no record of Paul Bew having offered a comment either supporting or questioning the performance of Moloney and McIntyre in the recording and cataloguing of the taped interviews which he assessed. However, in 2002 (2002 mark ye good readers) we were given a strong hint that Bew, and indeed the British establishment generally, were pleased with Moloney and McIntyre’s efforts when the Daily Telegraph published a review by Paul Bew of Ed Moloney’s book about the IRA – A Secret History of the IRA, which is in fact a (sometimes more, sometimes less) open tirade against Gerry Adams and the Belfast/Derry leadership of Sinn Féin.

    Pic of Moloney’s IRA book
    Not a definitive book on the IRA, but a hatchet job on Gerry Adams

    It is noticeable in Bew’s review of Moloney’s book that he is entirely praiseworthy of Moloney and also that the language he uses against Adams is venomous in the extreme. Thus Bew’s review, entitled “At last we know the human cost of Gerry Adams”, serves two useful functions for our purposes: it signals very clearly that the British lord who appointed Ed Moloney to the Boston tapes project has told the world that Moloney’s book was not in fact about the IRA but actually a hatchet job on Gerry Adams. Furthermore, the urbane, intellectual façade usually presented by Paul Bew is removed for a moment as he likens Adams to putrid “rotten cabbage”. Paul Bew also makes a direct connection between Moloney’s book, Gerry Adams and the murder of Jean McConville.

    Bear in mind that Boston College tells us that at this time, when Bew reviewed Moloney’s anti Adam’s book, he was also involved in either assessing, or preparing to assess, Moloney/McIntyre’s interview tapes for the Boston project.

    Bew’s assault on Gerry Adams can be read here:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3582298/At-last-we-know-the-human-cost-of-Gerry-Adams.html

    There is a further interesting element to Bew’s, to my mind, astonishing article. For we find that it was then reproduced in its entirety by a website called The Blanket, which just happens to have been run at that time by Anthony McIntyre who at the bottom of Bew’s review tells us the following:

    Paul Bew is the Professor of Irish Politics at Queen’s University, Belfast. This article first ran in the Daily Telegraph and is carried here with permission from the author.

    Now here is my point about this article’s appearance – there is no hint anywhere by Bew that he has a vested interested in Moloney’s work by having recommended him for a history project (the precise nature of which could have been omitted). In fact nothing about their clearly close relationship. Similarly, Anthony McIntyre when reproducing this article for The Blanket says nothing about a prior relationship with Bew – because of his PHD and/or the fact that Bew had selected him for some sort of oral history project. But there is one thing that is very clear in this Bew/Moloney/McIntyre axis and that is the contempt they hold for Gerry Adams. This brings me to my last point.

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    Gerry Adams – prior to his arrest Ireland’s most popular politician

    Meet the GAL – The Get Adams League

    Though we didn’t realise it at the time, where Irish politics and the peace process is concerned, what we were seeing with the coming together of the likes of Ed Moloney and Anthony McIntyre with ruling class Unionist figures like Paul Bew was a new alignment within the strongly Unionist wing of British Establishment and it was based on one core issue and that was a concerted campaign against the Sinn Féin leadership with Gerry Adams as the key hate figure.

    We should be clear that this GAL group does not, by any means, share the same political views – some for example believe that the Unionists have been abandoned to an atavistic Irish Nationalist and Catholic fate, others like Paul Bew believe that the combination of carrot and stick and a hard hand where necessary (a Dirty War) combined to defeat Sinn Féin and the IRA. But one thing unites this GAL group and that is their detestation of Gerry Adams and all his works. The GAL is like a bell intoning one constant message that Gerry Adams is a common criminal – a pariah who is beyond all decency. The discrepancy in this view will hit most Irish people straight away. Paul Bew for example is a key figure in the GAL but also a patron of the Airey Neave Trust. The Conservative politician Airey Neave, who was assassinated by the INLA, was a hawk whose seeming answer to every Irish issue was to send in the SAS. SAS good. IRA bad right?

    I will give just one example out of hundreds of possible examples of where we have seen this GAL group come together in public and it is a quite extraordinary example. It is one that sees Paul Bew, the former head of RUC Special Branch Bill Lowry, and lots of other establishment figures rubbing shoulders with none other than Anthony McIntyre. And what was the occasion? It was the June 2004 Queens University bookshop occasion to celebrate the fact that the non pareil anti appeasement figure (and subsequent Islamaphobe) Dean Godson had published his mammoth book about David Trimble – Himself Alone.

    Liam Clarke’s description of the dramatis personae assembled at this book launch is well worth reading but I’m afraid most of it is behind a Sunday Times paywall. Readers will however get the picture which also includes references to FRU spook Ian Hurst just to complete the GAL picture:
    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/world_news/article111426.ece

    Mention of Hurst is apt because it illustrates the strange nature of this anti Sinn Féin alliance. Only last month, Ed Moloney wrote a lengthy defence of arch dissimulator and FRU spook Ian Hurst to the Guardian in a vain attempt to uphold his reputation following a complaint from this author. The Guardian upheld my complaint. See here – http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/30/guardian-reporting-on-smithwick-tribunal

    With regard to David Trimble biographer Dean Godson, there is not space here to go into his impeccable establishment credentials but he was not only a chief leader writer at the Daily Telegraph and associate editor of The Spectator, but he was also, and still is, an influential figure on the right side of David Cameron’s Tory Party. However in an Irish context, the anti Sinn Féin nature of his book launch was clear. Top RUC branch man Bill Lowry for example has always been scathing about the peace process. As a guest of a DUP meeting in Ballymena in 2004, for example, Lowry described Sinn Fein as ‘dogs’ and also said that he couldn’t watch MPs Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams on television without seeing blood dripping from their hands.

    It is obvious to anyone, that there is only one reason why the likes of Anthony McIntyre would be invited to such an occasion and that is his long standing and vitriolic campaign against Gerry Adams.

    Looking back we can see that this GAL group, whilst holding differing views on lots of questions, has come together either in print or electronic media wherever they felt the Sinn Féin hydra needed beheading. Paul Bew has been at the heart of that group. In a tribute to Paul Bew in the right wing Spectator magazine in February 2007, Dean Godson emphasised Bew’s central role as a, if you like, GAL guru:
    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/28076/a-tribute-to-ulsters-ajp-taylor/

    ‘Bew has taught almost everyone in Ulster, from Ian Paisley Jr to the former IRA prisoner Anthony McIntyre, editor of the Blanket and one of Gerry Adams’s most articulate critics within republicanism. They all respect him for his impartiality another remarkable achievement for one so politically committed. With his unique admixture of innocence and cunning, no one knows better how to charm the serpents in the Queen’s snake-pit.’

    I couldn’t have put it better myself

    Where the arrest of Gerry Adams by the PSNI is concerned, the constant repetition by this GAL group of Jean McConville’s name (above all other Troubles victims) and its tactic of presenting Adams as a common criminal seems to have paid off, if only temporarily.

    However, if the legal administration in the North decides, at some future point, to bring a prosecution against Gerry Adams based on the content of the taped interviews that were organised and procured by people with a clear and demonstrable animus against Sinn Féin and where the interviewees have been alleged to have prompted interviewees to incriminate Gerry Adams, that will lead to a collapse in trust of the PSNI right across Ireland and probably the Good Friday Agreement itself. Not least when it is clear that many instances of horrendous state violence during the Troubles have been whitewashed.

    There is also a lesson for Sinn Féin in all of this. We were told that the Good Friday Agreement was a new beginning for everyone on the island, of whatever creed or political belief and that the old RUC would disappear. Now that party, along with the Irish government, has to reassure us that it can actually ensure a new justice system where all victims of the Troubles, including Jean McConville and her family, can be offered a chance of closure and to find out the truth.

    If we had a robust, independent and investigative media in Ireland, Paul Bew would already have faced hard questions about his role in the Boston tapes fiasco and the question of a Truth Commission would have been raised much more often instead of a distorted focus on Gerry Adams and one family’s undoubted misery and hardship in their search for the truth about what happened.

    @Paul Larkin
    Gaoth Dobhair
    Mí Bealtaine 2014

    • Jude Collins May 8, 2014 at 10:26 am #

      Thank you Paul – a meticulous and fascinating insight to Lord Bew…

      • Jude Collins May 8, 2014 at 11:03 am #

        And PJD – sorry I overlooked you – for supplying it

    • William Fay May 8, 2014 at 10:58 am #

      Very good PjD, let’s cut and paste every article that relates to an anti-Gerry Adams conspiracy that we can find on the web and attempt to muddy the waters a bit more; poor, poor Mr Adams!. At least Mr Larkin has an independent view, not, please read some more of his nonsense.

      • Jude Collins May 8, 2014 at 11:05 am #

        William, you’ll really have to break this knee-jerk habit of doing down anyone who disagrees with you or presents evidence that doesn’t fit in with your particular world-view. Deal with what’s presented – ie., play the ball and not the man.

    • BaldyBapTheBarber May 8, 2014 at 1:15 pm #

      PjD,

      Masterful insight, I thoroughly enjoyed reading your comment. Thank you for posting it.

    • michael May 8, 2014 at 9:08 pm #

      just got round to reading this excellent piece puts it all into perspective old traits and habits will take generations to die out if ever

      • lecorri May 9, 2014 at 1:12 pm #

        Soo, I’m no sure exactly how much ‘perspective’ this article puts into the story except as seen thru a single filter (anti SF//anti GAdams), however, it CERTAINLY shows that old traits and habits die hard and will take generation upon generation to die out (if ever).
        I am of the opinion that Jude Collins gets it right pretty much every time! Course, that’s just my filter on the Irish issue..(s)

        • William Fay May 9, 2014 at 8:49 pm #

          Yea lecorri, let’s all pay homage to Jude, the great one has all the answers

  5. Maggie May May 8, 2014 at 10:17 am #

    William Fay
    May i humbly suggest you research the murder of Kitty Thompson shot dead in the backyard of her home in Creggan, Derry, by a British Soldier. Her family are still trying to find out why this Mother of six children was murdered. Let us mourn the Mothers killed during the past thirty years and seek the truth of the circumstances of their deaths and let us support all the families left behind, not those selected by the media and the BRITISH/UNIONIST establishment.

    • William Fay May 8, 2014 at 10:32 am #

      I’m glad you are all starting to get it, the commentators who demand we forget about the past and move on have no understanding of what it is to be a victim? We can not move on until we know what happened, victims must have a full understanding of what happened to their loved ones, they cannot merely compartmentalise their thoughts and memories, there must be ‘closure’ of some sort. I know people will have different views on Sir Norman Tebbitt, and he comes out with some strange statements. But he is suffering, his wife was permanently disabled by the Brighton bomb, and as he stated, “how can I forgive if no one has said sorry.”

      • RJC May 8, 2014 at 11:10 am #

        Yup, that’s pretty much nailed it. The old Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa seems to be getting bandied about quite a bit these days. Victims’ families still deserve answers. Whether that enables them to draw a line under what has happened to them remains to be seen, but knowing the truth may at least provide them with some comfort.

      • Jude Collins May 8, 2014 at 11:12 am #

        William – try to stifle the pompous bit – “I’m glad you are all starting to get it”. Credit other people with a little intelligence – it’s not your exclusive preserve. As to your statement that ‘victims must have a full understanding of what happened to their loved ones” – I know of at least one person who lost a much-loved sister in the Troubles. He’s not interested in finding out the details of what occurred. He mourns her loss but consistently addresses the future. There are other examples I’m sure. As to Norman Tebbitt (I thought he was a Lord, not a mere Sir?) – of course he has endured great pain and suffering, both himself and his wife. But you can actually forgive even if ‘no one has said sorry’. You could start with the founder of Christianity in his last moments and move on to Gordon Wilson and lots of other non-headlined cases.

        • William Fay May 8, 2014 at 3:22 pm #

          Sorry, you’ve now lost me, how do you forgive someone if you don’t know who they are, so we should just generally forgive. If the dissidents and loyalists start murdering again, should we just forgive them too, what a chaotic world we would live in. Should we forgive the Paras involved in Ballymurphy and Derry,should we forgive the bombers of Dublin and Monaghan, I could go on and on, where does it stop?

    • paul May 8, 2014 at 10:35 am #

      exactly

  6. RJC May 8, 2014 at 11:28 am #

    Here’s the latest from the bould Gerry

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/07/jean-mcconville-killing-gerry-adams-innocent-accusers

  7. Cal May 8, 2014 at 11:36 am #

    The politicising of select victims has become a rather nasty and distasteful feature of modern Irish politics – north and south.

    Regardless of our thoughts on recent events, most of us I think will agree, come the 24th May we will hear or read very little about the McConville family. Their worth in the eyes of some will have been lost – until possibly the next set of elections are upon us. Shameful.

    • paul May 8, 2014 at 2:17 pm #

      Correct Cal. I am still waiting for members of 1Para to get arrested for Derry or Ballymurphy. Will the FM meet with those families and offer his support? Doubtful, Since they are victims of state violence I guess they just don’t matter,

  8. BaldyBapTheBarber May 8, 2014 at 12:53 pm #

    A brilliant piece Jude.

    My heart bled while reading the account of Briege Vovle who lost her mother Joan Connolly in the Ballymurphy Massacre. Thank you for highlighting this forgotten story and for highlighting the bias in the media when reporting the tragic death of Mrs McConville. In my humble opinion, the case of Jean McConville, is being used as a political weapon, for the sole reason to try and damage SF and Gerry Adams. An example that the “dirty war” continues to this day.

    By the way Jude I check in our your blog daily, keep up the great work.
    Love it.

    PjD,

    Masterful insight, I thoroughly enjoyed reading your comment. Thank you for posting it.

  9. Morpheus May 8, 2014 at 1:24 pm #

    Exactly right Cal – watch how The McConville’s are dropped like a hot potato when the realization kicks in that they are of no further use in the tedious ‘Get Gerry’ campaign. It’s a sad reflection of the society we have carved out for ourselves.

    Jude, excellent piece. It highlights perfectly that there is not only a hierarchy of victims but a hierarchy of the usefulness of victims.

    • ANOTHER JUDE May 8, 2014 at 6:27 pm #

      Like Mary Travers, her death was exploited by Jim Allister and co.

      • Morpheus May 9, 2014 at 10:03 am #

        Yes it was AJ, in one of the recent Belfast Telegraph blogs from the TUVs media guy (but why they let him near a keyboard is beyond me) I asked the question if Jim would be using his talents to get justice for the victims of Bloody Sunday reminding him that this would be a walk in the park because the work was already done and there was no need for new legislation. The silence was deafening.

        Our politicans (and in the days of the 24-hour news cycles, the media) will literally use and abuse anyone or anything – The McConvilles are just the most recent example

  10. Brian MacDomhnaill May 8, 2014 at 1:54 pm #

    You’re piece is very good Mr Collins, but the Paul Larkin article on the so-called Boston College Oral History Project is brilliant and is certainly the best that I have read on the subject by far. The Broken Elbow and ‘Bitter Pill’ blogs will try to rubbish Mr Larkin’s charge that they were hired because of their hated of the Sinn Féin strategy and of Mr Adams, but puzzle me this, with all of the excellent historians and historical researchers that are in universities all over the world and who would have loved to be involved in such a project (if it were a genuine attempt to record the lives and exploits of combatants in the recent conflict) what special qualities qualified these two gentlemen as director and chief interviewer respectively on such a project, given that they had no credentials as historical researchers? The fact that there was no open procurement process for these positions says it all.

  11. Iolar May 8, 2014 at 2:45 pm #

    ‘Two foreign kings in battle did join/Each wanting his head on the side of a coin./If the Irish had sense they would throw both in the Boyne and partition into the ocean…’.
    The term,the ‘past’ has a high level of use and a low level of meaning. We are being advised to ‘draw a line’ under ‘the past’ and ‘move on’. No doubt after the elections there will be an illusion of progress with ‘talk’ about ‘talks’, and the need for international mediators.
    Let us consider, with legislation if necessary, a moratorium on all parades and the establishment of an international tribunal tasked to examine restricted or secret files dealing with civil unrest on these islands and to make legally binding recommendations based on the impartial administration of justice. We would save a fortune on policing for a start.

  12. Jude Collins May 8, 2014 at 5:54 pm #

    Iolar – I’m with you on a moratorium on all parades + an international tribunal. Well said.

  13. ANOTHER JUDE May 8, 2014 at 6:07 pm #

    Paul Larkin`s A Very British Jihad is a must read, a chilling indictment of so called British impartiality. There are hundreds of Joans, murdered by the British state. Jean McConville`s death is being used for political purposes. Sinn Féin must confront this head on, if they ignore it then we are doomed to fall back into a cycle of despair. Peter Robinson has to be asked questions about his links with loyalist paramilitaries, or maybe he just wore dark glasses because of the bright sunshine here? Maybe his little beret was part of his hitherto unknown Frank Spencer routine?` Ooh Iris, the man responsible for bringing in the guns did a whoopsie.`

    • Iolar May 8, 2014 at 7:02 pm #

      See also, ‘Britain’s Gulag’ by Caroline Elkins (2005). There is a reference to the ‘past’. ‘There would be no soul-searching or public accounting for the crimes perpetrated against hundreds of thousands of men and women in Kenya. When Iain Macleod took over the Colonial Office in the months after Hola, he wrote to Kenya’s new governor, Patrick Renison, assuring him that he had “decided to draw a veil over the past”.’ (p363)

  14. paddykool May 8, 2014 at 6:20 pm #

    William :

    There you go….The nail has finally been hit on the head…..Forgiveness is the only way out of this poisoned mess. I’ll put it straight to you .I don’t believe in god as some of you might have gathered, but I do know that Christianity is based on forgiveness.

    I feel that it would be the only solution in a Christian country to address this idea to all the Christians here.It would certainly separate the lovers from the haters…..the Christians from the…..

    if you get my drift, I’m saying we all need a fresh start because we have all hurt each other.

    Like I said…we can argue away forever or we can sort this out now very easily. Forgiveness is a gift , freely given to another. For a Christian person , it shouldn’t be anything extraordinary…it’ s part of the deal that person signed on for. it doesn’t require reciprocation of any sort..

    • William Fay May 8, 2014 at 8:33 pm #

      paddy, forgiveness, like I said, comes when you admit to the crime

      • Jude Collins May 8, 2014 at 8:39 pm #

        William – I hate to say it but you’re talking tripe. Forgiveness does NOT require anything from the perpetrator, everything (to wit, forgiveness) from the victim. Do stop digging.

        • neill May 8, 2014 at 8:55 pm #

          Jude don’t be stupid forgiveness only comes after an apology from the person who was in the wrong doesn’t your wife teach you nothing? ; )

          • Antonio May 8, 2014 at 8:58 pm #

            A Man from Enniskilen once forgave before an apology

          • Jude Collins May 8, 2014 at 10:10 pm #

            My wife taught me everything I know, neill. So the guys who killed Gordon Wilson’s daughter apologised to her? Mmmm

          • William Fay May 8, 2014 at 10:33 pm #

            Jude the IRA never asked forgiveness for anything as they believed they were in the right and still do

        • William Fay May 8, 2014 at 9:40 pm #

          Play the ball Jude, not the man

          • Pointis May 8, 2014 at 11:17 pm #

            I think you mean ‘boy’ William!

          • William Fay May 8, 2014 at 11:49 pm #

            What Jude, you want to play the boy

      • paddykool May 8, 2014 at 9:08 pm #

        William : As Jude explains… it is one thing to understand the mendacity and hypocrisy in the men and women we live among, but you appear to have no real understanding of the nobility required to selflessly forgive…the very Christian ideal that our fellows all espouse …

        • William Fay May 8, 2014 at 9:43 pm #

          Ok paddy so all the republicans on here forgive the loyalists, Brits, Paras, etc, thanks for that, now we can move on.

          • neill May 8, 2014 at 10:11 pm #

            Don’t be holding your breath William.

          • paddykool May 8, 2014 at 10:20 pm #

            William :
            I really do believe that you do not understand anything I am saying .I never mentioned republicans or loyalists anywhere. it appears you are in a very tight little place where you judge everything by a very narrow set of parochial values. ….like I said we are not having a conversation.Your mind is set on a single track ..With you it’ s all loyalists and republicans and there’ s nothing beyond that narrow focus. ….I suppose that is symptomatic of the lack of creative thinking here…a conservatism that has stifled any forward thinking development here. with an attitude like that amplified a thousand times over , this place will slip into another killing spree of barbarism that will engulf another generation….

            This was a relatively peaceful place in the 1950’s and 1960’s but it only took a lot of paranoia and crookedness to light a conflagration that burned for thirty years….We now need people who can get outside that box and bring new and radical ideas to the feast, or we’ll be back to that bloody madness damned quick..At the moment all there is is a lot of revenge seeking…
            That’s going to get us back to warfare with a whole new generation who have no memory how bad it really was back then….

          • William Fay May 8, 2014 at 10:28 pm #

            Paddy, your referred to my ability to forgive, could you forgive someone, god forbid, who was very dear to you, even though they are your perceived enemy and have never asked for forgiveness.

          • William Fay May 8, 2014 at 10:30 pm #

            Paddy, that should have said forgive someone who has murdered someone dear to you

  15. Dixie Elliott May 8, 2014 at 6:39 pm #

    To question SF, or more to the point – Old Father Sinn Fein – Gerry, is anti-peace process. A pathetic statement every time I hear it.

    Gerry now admits he and Fr Reid were engaged in seeking peace since 1987 behind the backs of those IRA Volunteers he and McGuinness were encouraging to keep the war going.

    A Priest knew what the IRA didn’t know….

    And guess what? Moloney was writing about it years ago. He was writing about what Gerry now admits.

    He wrote about Brian Nelson saving Gerry’s life from a UDA limpet mine in May 1987, years before The De Silva Report revealed it..

    This wasn’t about the Boston Tapes it was about keeping a lid on those with a tale to tell.

    It wasn’t about touts when Scap, Donaldson and McShane etc, the real touts couldn’t touch Gerry.

    Jude when SF could only get a few hundred out from ‘across Ireland’, to quote Paul Maskey, in support of Gerry, you need realise that Republicans have caught on to the lie.

    • paddykool May 8, 2014 at 10:53 pm #

      William:
      Like I said, if I truly believed in a god and was a professed Christian, It would be part of my religion to forgive my enemies. I do not have that belief so that is not my worry. There’s really not a lot to be gained if you do not apply yourself to the letter and word of your particular belief system….otherwise , why bother.?

      I do remember, for instance when Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness set out their ideas for political struggle rather than an armed one they had a hard time convincing some of the other republicans, especially in tougher rural place….They disparagingly referred to them as the “two little altar boys” …this was a long time ago .. They felt that Adams and co had gone soft on them… They couldn’t think outside the box….the very concept of the entrenched physical struggle was their very meat and they couldn’t
      conceive of any other way of achieving their republican ideal..without a violence…

      Adams and company have made their peace but they are waiting for both those on the unionist side and also their republican physical force devotees to catch up ….and embrace real politics. I don’ t agree with everything they did in the past, but this is a long time since then and there have been many social changes.I may not agree with them on everything but at least they are looking forward…

  16. ANOTHER JUDE May 8, 2014 at 6:52 pm #

    Peace talks can take place while the war is still on, that is not unusual. The IRA were not going to stop unilaterally, why would they, when the British war machine was still in place? Gerry Adams did not start the conflict but he sure as heck helped end it.

  17. Ryan May 8, 2014 at 7:01 pm #

    Another great article Jude. I wonder will Nolan be devoting an entire show (with the exception of 10 minutes to Bill Oddy) to Joan Connolly or the other Ballymurphy families like his did with Jean McConville? I somehow doubt that very much.

    It was the same with the Shankill bombing, which of course was a terrible incident even though the target was UDA HQ above the chip shop but the bomb went off early killing the bomber and injuring another, the Nolan show did around a weeks worth of shows on that atrocity, many of those shows if I recall correctly were dedicated to the Shankill bombing in its entirety, both radio shows and TV shows. But yet, when it came to the Greysteel massacre it barely received a mention on the Nolan Radio or TV show? This is just one example of the hierarchy of victims here, this can be seen especially when it comes to Unionist politicians.

  18. Pointis May 8, 2014 at 7:05 pm #

    Comprehensive piece! Well written and researched! Certainly puts meat on the bones to Sinn Fein claims of anti- Good Friday Agreement elements attempting to destabilise the institutions here.

    If those in the media cannot fathom the deep public unease at the crude attempt to capitalise on the grief of the McConville family, by selfish interests to pursue personal grudges against Gerry Adams then they are clearly out of touch with reality!

  19. michael c May 8, 2014 at 7:48 pm #

    I see McIntyre has sent his message boy Dixie to try and cover his intense embarrassment.

    • Dixie Elliott May 8, 2014 at 11:25 pm #

      I can’t see you Micheal c cause you unlike mackers and myself are hiding behind a fake name…

      That new one, click on the you tube video to support Gerry is really ripping the arse of it…

  20. RJC May 8, 2014 at 8:40 pm #

    So now it turns out that on the night Gerry was arrested, the DUP were having a garden party with the Tories at Downing Street. Funny old world, eh?

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/08/david-cameron-hosts-dup-mps-in-lavish-downing-street-reception

  21. Brian Mac Domhnaill May 8, 2014 at 9:01 pm #

    I don’t know if Dixie Elliott is Anthony McIntyre’s ‘message boy’, but I do know for a fact that he is incorrect in asserting that there was an attempt to hoodwink the IRA about the beginning of the peace process back in 1987. As director of publicity for Sinn Féin at the time, I was one of several people asked to a document ‘Towards a Lasting Peace’. This document (which included little if any of what I had written) was publicly released at the time in an attempt to kick start dialogue and end the isolation of the republican position. Recalling those bleak days, I am extremely grateful that there were leaders like Gerry Adams who were applying critical analysis in relation to where we actually were and where we needed to go. They were definitely miles ahead of where I and most other activists were at that time. For that we should all be very grateful.

    • Dixie Elliott May 8, 2014 at 11:42 pm #

      That document didn’t see the light of day Brian until the 1992 Ard Fheis, who do you think you’re talking to, a member of SF?

      http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/15212

      And what about the Hume/Adams Talks was it ever revealed what they were talking about?

  22. michael c May 9, 2014 at 12:14 am #

    Dixie you are a permanent fixture on McIntyres webside where a number of mad disso types spout anti SF bile incessantly under a variety of fake names.Apart from the various Frankies, and Marties we also have “grouch”,”black cat”, “tain bo”and several other ridiculous poster names that I couldn’t be bothered to look up.Not a word out of you about anonymity on you and Anthony’s own site which makes you one massive HYPOCRITE. I don’t get your incoherent ramlbling about some youtube video and am tempted to suggest you are posting from the green equivalent of uncle Andy’s “knee breaker’s club”

  23. Pointis May 9, 2014 at 12:33 am #

    Jude,
    I think your brilliant article and the material supplied by PjD has struck to the heart of the issue holding up political progress here. The issues are victim hood and forgiveness.

    As you can see from the likes of ‘Just William’ there are people here who are just not willing to forgive, preferring to continue with the gnashing and grinding of teeth and trying to prevent meaningful reconciliation taking place for everyone else in our divided society.

    It is interesting that this unwillingness to forgive is voiced by unionists particularly politicians many of whom have not actually been directly impacted by troubles related violence! I would go further and suggest that this rump of political unionism is in many cases less likely to be forgiving than documented victims of Republican violence.

    I feel this rump of unionism finds it difficult to openly vocalise their feelings of victim hood because it would seem ridiculous to those outside of their close political peer group so I believe they hang their feelings of victim hood on the real victims of the troubles on their own side and use them to justify why there can be no real progress on reconciliation here.

    Let us be honest does anyone here think that Mervyn Gibson, Gregory Campbell, Nigel Dodds or Nelson McCausland to name a few want to forgive Republicans? At least one of these has hinted that they would prefer Gerry Adams to be in the next world!

    It is difficult for Nationalists and Republicans to get their mind around this concept because in essence it is saying ‘I feel I am a victim because you exist’ and really there is not a whole lot you can do about it until things change (usually from outside influences)!

    • William Fay May 9, 2014 at 1:57 am #

      pointis, as I said to others, forgiveness is easily said but in many cases not meant. Are you prepared to forgive the Paras for Ballymurphy and Derry, the loyalists for Greysteel, Ormeau Rd, etc, or in your book is it a own way street as your provie heroes did nothing wrong?

      • Patrick Kelly May 9, 2014 at 6:41 am #

        William have a read. Maybe it will give you a better understanding on what forgiveness is all about. I take it you hold Christian values.
        http://www.ccr.org.uk/archive/gn0607/g07.htm

        • William Fay May 9, 2014 at 10:04 am #

          And you also forgive the Paras?

      • Pointis May 9, 2014 at 7:28 am #

        Yes William I forgive!

  24. paddykool May 9, 2014 at 9:10 am #

    Jude et al :
    I think we have more than established that the there are a lot of pseudo – Christians living here hiding behind a pretense of professed belief …

    .People like Mervyn Gibson find no irony in parading behind bands emblazoned with biblical quotes to the glory of their god and their Christian belief , but they fail to understand the very hinge that that belief system swings on….Forgiveness…

    There is no” loving thy neighbour” in their creed at all. No other tribe takes to the streets to batter out this hypocrisy for all the world to see , annually .

    Then there is the use of “victims” as bargaining chips …the televisual sanctimony that is pressed like grapes to extract as much emotional turmoil as Nolan can smother the baying public with.. There deaths stretching back to John Gallagher’s slaying on the streets of Armagh that are never talked about. Every one of those deaths would make a television programme , peppered with advert breaks to stretch out the agony for an hour..

    They are never talked about. One death. only is remembered beyond all others , simply because capital and politics can be hewed from this sobbing stone. Gerry Adams , in this example has a tenuous connection to the woman’s death .

    i lived on the Lisburn Road in bomb -city , Belfast in 1972 , while working before i left for art college in England. There was chaos in the city in that year and many were killed on all sides ….one death revenging the next… , but to think that at that time Adams, a couple of years older than myself then, was some kind of mastermind from pulp fiction , able to make young men kill while conjuring up the great “long war” in his imagination , beggars belief…

    In the hard scrabble of those times forty two years ago , there was a sense of social chaos which fed into everything…many deaths have apparently been forgotten and it would take a lifetime to remember each individual one. .We can do that , one by one or we can remember them collectively and forgive each other our past sins ….