Well, nearly there now. So many interesting things, it’s hard to select a few. But I’ll try.
1. Scotland is a beautiful and fascinating country. When QE2 visited the southern section of our country, the expense involved was said to have been justified by the international exposure it gave, the boost to Irish tourism. If that’s true, how much more must the many interviews with people of energy and character have done for Scottish tourism?
2. The amount of money that Westminster passes to Scotland each year occupied a back seat in the debate. It was mentioned, but there was no sustained discussion of what you would have thought was a central issue. Was that because, as one person suggested, we rarely hear about how much money goes out of Scotland and into the British Treasury’s coffers? Which are, of course, located in England. It’s nuclear weapons that are located in Scotland.
3. As George Monbiot points out in yesterday’s Guardian, virtually all of the print media have failed to highlight the benefits of independence for Scotland, choosing instead to repeat the No camp warnings of businesses and financial groupings catching the first bus south if it’s Yes. As for the BBC, Alistair Darling said yesterday that the scenes of demonstration outside BBC Scotland were disgraceful. Not quite, Alistair. What was disgraceful was that people should have felt compelled to demonstrate over the neutrality of the BBC. But then again, it’s not the Scottish Broadcasting Corporation, is it?
4. Does Gordon Brown realise how condescending he sounds when he talks about “further powers” being allowed to a Scottish parliament? The notion that, as one demonstrator termed them, “our Imperial masters” should decide how much powers the Scottish people be given to govern themselves is breath-taking in its arrogance.
5. It’s disappointing but it does look as if the No camp will win the referendum. I say that as someone whose track record on prediction is appalling. But should that be the case, there’s going to be a number of very loud voices raised in Wales and the north of Ireland for exactly the same Home Rule/federal powers that Gordon Brown says will be delivered to Scotland post-haste.
6. In the nineteenth century, Lord Palmerston said nations have no permanent friends or allies, they only have permanent interests. Isn’t it blindingly obvious that England believes it is in England’s interests to continue the Union with Scotland? All this stuff about a tear in Cameron’s eye and talk of “this family of nations” is because one member of the family (England) is aware that it could lose an awful lot of oil and an awful lot of market wealth and human capital.
I can’t remember when I last hoped so ardently that my prediction is proved wrong.


The yes campaign ran a great campaign however it came completely unstuck when the no campaign really focused on the economy and the currency and Salmond didnt have an answer which was completely unforgiveable because he had enough time to come up with an answer
Jude Good Morning,
I do see your point of view and understand how you feel about the identity of these Islands. During your blogs you love to run the government down along with her Majesty Queen Elizabeth.
My husband has one older brother, who when he turned 15 (1949) left home to join the Royal Navy, the main reason being there was far to many children to be clothed fed and watered. The last child was born 1969,
Any way the jist of my story is QE11 ended up looking after my older brother in law, he settled in Dunfermline eventually, married to a Scots girl, who coincidently shares my maiden name. They produced two children who are grew up now, with children of their own.
My husbands phone went off here a few months ago, I opened it up to read it, (before you all start yelling that I should not have he does it with mine, we have no secret). There on his cell was a picture of the Queen and Prince Phillip, the reference he made under the picture was two auld free loaders, and why should we pay for them.
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I went berserk, basically it ended with me calling him a filthy little cockroach, he has a friend Scottish living in Tyrone started threatening me, he was going to get me killed.
My brother in law never mentioned it, so I know the little Cockroach did not tell his Father.
So you see Jude the moral if the story is don’t open a cell phone that is not yours.
But I cannot wait to contact him on Friday, by the way, he is anti establishment pot smoking waste of time useless piece of ….
I have not time to tell you what the Queen does, and the revenue she brings into the country. If you got the chance to meet her Jude, would you?
Norma
Afternoon Norma. Would I meet QE2 if I got the chance? Let’s put it like this: no. Not on any political or principle grounds but because I don’t think we’d have much in common and I gather you’re supposed to wait until you’re spoken to and then it’s usually a few words like ‘And what do you do?’ Life is too short for that, Norma. I’d much prefer to talk to you and other people on this site
Norma,
God help your poor husband. The brother of an ulster scotsman with some sense,- having to come home to your lovely wee ‘ulster protestant house’,- living room festooned with portraits of the great and good of the QE2 family ‘criminal cabal’. The grand old Nazi Duke himself and Charlie ‘the baffoon’ and his great uncle the serial paedophile, and of course ‘randy Andy’ the scrounger who never worked a day in his life and not least the ‘sex and booze’ loving Margaret and her repugnant sister Anne the other parasite.
Must be irksome for him, to come home to such comfortable reminders of those that you give a third of your salary to every month.
Truth revisionist
If you came to my home there is not one thing relating to the Royal family.
My brother in law has been to my home, as has all my husbands family, with out blowing my own trumpet, I put on a pretty damn good spread.
My late Father in law loved my banter, he admired my straight talking!
Am I not allowed my point of view, what is wrong with you.
I am not going to come down to your level, but just bare this in mind, clean round your own doorstep, before you name call the Royal family! Starting with children born outside wedlock in Ireland in the 50’s little children suffered terribly.
Norma
Norma,
Firstly let me say I think you are wonderful. I enjoy reading your comments. Without people like yourself, I wouldn’t be quite so driven, to critically analyse the injustices in our society and the methods employed by the criminals who govern us, to deceive,-and keep us subservient and meek.
Ever since my introduction as a young man to Bernays and ‘human conditioning’, I have sought to enhance my knowledge in this area.
You are fuel for my mind, and a lovely person.
Norma you are so out of touch with what the queen and her ilk get up to I actually feel sorry for you. If you researched their private lives a bit more i suspect it would shock you to your very core. Then again maybe not.
Wolfetone,
There lies the difference between us.
I don’t wish to fight with you, I adore her, you cannot fault her.
Norma
‘I cannot fault her’…? Oh but I can, but as I have alluded to I opt not to deflate the bubble you live in. You are free to adore her all you want even though you don’t know her. Blind.
Hi Jude : your sixth point is the most salient.
Money, money, money as the song goes …You can now hear ABBA rattling away in the back of your head , right?.
It’s all about the filthy lucre. We’ll take our ball away …sorry we’ll take our banks away .We’ll take our business away . we’ll scarper back over the border with all our cash ..We know you think you’ve got a bit of culture but we know what you really want and need. Of course there’s the common slur of the parsimonious Scot holding his money tight . They ‘re using that as a lever to frighten the horses. It’s a bit of an insult when you think about it.
Whatever way this vote goes in a few hours , nothing will ever be the same . the “yes” camp have now got the bit in their teeth . They’ve felt the wind on their brows and they now know that this doesn’t have to be just a generational push . This can be a permanent aspiration. A political ideal that is possible . If the vote is broadly 50/50 ..no matter what way that is judged , half the country will be at odds with the other half . Where does that sound like? There’ll be a constant push now for even more concessions coming from Scotland , Wales and Northern Ireland {if they’ve any wit at all} .That’s going to have a reaction somewhere down the line from Mr Average Englishman. Its a certainty, for example that the average Englishman will be wondering why they should want to hang onto Scotland in the future when half the country avidly despises the idea. The place could become as factional and crazy as Nornneverland if there are two warring tribes left standing …one of them waving big union flags and bashing big drums…..
neill :
In my opinion, the anti-independence campaign has used Fear as their No. 1 weapon, which is always a sad way to try to get results.
Look, it’s the same for the Unionists in the North of our country – a lot of the unionist argumentation against re-uniting the country is centered around all kinds of Fears, both real and (mostly in my opinion) imagined, being stoked up.
Just curious, what are you afraid of in a Re-United Ireland ?
Or more constructively, what would be on your Unionist “shopping list” to agree to an independent Re-United Ireland ?.
Or more constructively, what would be on your Unionist “shopping list” to agree to an independent Re-United Ireland ?.
Nothing at all I am a unionist therefore I dont want a united ireland ever.So there is nothing you can offer me that would change my mind.
Now dont get me me wrong i love going south great country to visit and the people are great however I am more than happy with the status quo.
North Munsterman,
I like my status quo, I was born under this flag and country and my Queen for sixty years, it’s never done me any harm, it has been rock solid and I know you’s don’t get me, but let’s not fall out for I don’t get you’s.
I don’t have the same confidence in Ireland, I think they are, how shall I put it without offending you’s all…… Incompetent!
It will soon be 100 years, from your independence, yet in that short time you’s gave it away to a foreign land to dictate to you’s and lost your punt.
At one time property in Dublin was higher than New York, I find this all bewildering.
The corruption down South was shocking, all the great roads they have now were hand outs from the EEC.
Not that long ago, there was no electricity to provide for the Americans, when they came over to make the quiet man.
Lastly as a little girl, I remember the beggars, and the poor people, when my granny would take me down to the free state.
The taxes are higher, the children pay for their books, you pay to call a doctor out……
It’s a no brainer, do I love the people down south, and see them as my brothers, and sisters, of course.
I am heading to Dublin at the weekend.
I also know it’s every Irish mans dream to see the country united, but I don’t think the south wants us, or can afford us.
Jude Collins that was a very diplomatic answer. Thank you.
Norma
Norma Wilson :
Thank you for your reply.
The Economist Intelligence Unit might update you on your view of this part of the country, if you are interested :
http://www.economist.com/media/pdf/QUALITY_OF_LIFE.pdf
Corruption – yep, no doubt about that – can you name any state that has no corruption, I wonder…..
Part of EU – yep – more pro’s than cons I would say – we have the freedom to leave if we want (a freedom you do not have – even if 100% of unionists in the 6 counties demanded it).
We want you for sure – and certainly much more than the English – of that you can be absolutely certain. Still a lot of hard feelings up North – but they won’t last forever.
An agreed Re-United Ireland will happen – that is for sure.
Enjoy your week-end and have a pint or two of the black stuff for me in Dublin.
PS : You supporting your fellow Ulstermen from Donegal on Sunday ?
Thank you North Munsterman,
That was a nice reply, of course I will be willing Donegal on!
Not to fussed on the black stuff, but I like a Jamesons whiskey.
I know the UI Is coming I would be a fool to think otherwise, but you must surely understand my point, I was born into this, I know no other, it’s scarey.
Thank you for the attachment I will read it.
Norma
Norma,
You must know in your heart-of-hearts – beyond all the pointless whataboutery opposing offended parties toss back and forth – that in our 21st century world you’ve nothing to fear and everything to gain. Make no mistake, Ireland wants and needs that once true free-thinking Presbyterian spirit the Paislyite types silenced in the North.
Like yourself, Esteemed Blogmeister, PW has a truly wretched tartan track record when it comes to making predictions.
So that is why he is, in his role as a Selkirk ranger, standing foursquare with tam o’shanter on head, with his Andrew Glen shepherd’s crook in hand, his faithful Border Collie Black Bob at heel, dirk in stocking, kirk in mind and the McWarbeck clan kilt craftily in place around his ample shortbread basket waist, behind those who confidently forecast a ‘No, Nay, Niver’ victory in the Scottish Referendum.
This will represent a victory of dandy proportions, of sagacity over mendacity , of the Mrs Doubtfires (of both sexes) over the woolyheaded Oor Woolies.
As the Mrs Doubtfires hold the Sporran in their grip, wee wonder therefore that their political party is known officially as the SDLP and, affectionately, by friend and ‘friend’ alike as the Lumpy Porridge.
Their go-to curmudgeon (which is the Gallic word for ‘sage’) is, of course, the bristling thistle-skinned Hamish Mallontosh who will assuredly be wheeled oot on V-nicht to deliver his single-transferrable epigram:
-Culloden for slow-learners.
The highkicking highland reels of the N.Bs (North Brits) on Clydeside will be matched if not indeed be surpassed on Liffeyside by the W.B. Tates of the SIC (sic). That is, the Sunday Independent Cult.
-Poetic justice !
Will be their headline of joy unconfined, as they will devote their full front page to five lines of victorious verse, singed modestly by ‘A Grumpy Grampian’, and which will out-McGonigal McGonigal himself in its imaginative scope and daring rhymes, not to mention post-impressionistic rhythms.
Perkie in fact is privy to the real identity of this stirring verse and will reveal all. But not before the Discerning Readership has basked in its glory. See if you can recognize the bashful laureate behind these deathless lines:
We Scots are not the least wee bit foreign
Tho’ we do wear both kilt and the sporran
Our party you can see
Will always be the LSDP
As long as UK can donate the odd wee florin.
Obvious, is it not. No, not the poetic James Robertson Justice. Nae way. Who else only – and so please be upstanding, ladies and laddies for nae other than …. Hamish Mallontosh.
Mighty Perk ..there you go .the world is divided into the Dandys and the Beanos,,,both hailing from that one surreal source at the well of DC Thompson and Dudley D. Watkins …somewhere northwest of Cactusville. Now you have hung your Dandy colours to the upper mast . I, on the other hand was always a stout devotee of Beanoland , especially Leo Baxendale’s early period “When the Bell Rings”…forerunner of those hellish Bash street Kids,….. that slightly less feisty and ever- so cerebrally enhanced state of well-being …Brothers in Anarchy , then…….
Perkins
I bet you are a Terry Pratchett reader, with regards to your blog I am the slow learner, I need to read both Terry and you twice.
To PK, was “our Wullie” in the Beano or Dandy, going slightly round the “But and Ben”.
Norma
Norma ; Oor Wullie was n’t in either esteemed comic paper at any time . The connection is that that the strip was originally very skillfully drawn by extremely talented Dudley Dexter .Watkins . as was Biffo the Bear and Lord Snooty in the Beano.. Oor Wullie and the Broons , which he also drew, featured in the Sunday Post.Mr. Watkins died in 1969 but several artists copied his style to some extent to continue the look of the strips..It took several of them to keep up. Watkins was the only artist working for DC Thomson who was ever allowed to sign his own work.. He was so skillful.
and prolific that he also turned out high quality work for several illustrated picture books and stories for the Topper.
Thank you PK
I AM BLUSHING here, did not get any of that, I did know that the Broons and Our Wullie, were in the SP.
My brother asked me once “did you know what the pennies were for” in TP’s Disc world, I did not get it at all, they were used to put on the corpses.
I feel so stupid now, but at least I am honest.
Norma
PerKie – we literally are not worthy. I think as PK suggests, you should provide footnotes explaining your blitzkrieg of references – which would of course spoil the joke but on the other hand make it comprehensible for so many. Re Scottish referendum:I think they should mark the announcement of the result by doing a Willie Wallace on Alistair Darling AND David Cameron, before a mass outdoor audience…
Hi Neil, it’s interesting that you say that you would never wish for a constitutional change to Northern Ireland’s present status, ie: to enter into a Re-united Ireland. You actually say that, ‘there is nothing you can offer me that would change my mind’ (sic). Therefore, you would make your choice based upon purely gut, cultural or philosophical reasons and the economics of it all would not sway you. Why then should the Scottish people be so hamstrung by economic considerations, as you stated earlier and not vote with their heart the way you would choose to?
Hi Freddy my economic circumstances are different to most people i probably would earn the same if I lived in the Republic as i would here.The point i was making if you are on a fixed income under the union you would be considerably worse off in an independent Scotland who would try to maintain expenditure at its current level which would be impossible in an independent scotland without big tax rises
Coming late to the discussion but noticed point 4 in the list opens up several alarming scenarios. –
How do the promises square with the gleeful doom and gloom threats if Scotland votes YES as expounded by banks and businesses?
Anyway several conservative MPs have already said “No, never – no more powers or money to Scotland”
Is it legal for Gordon Brown (ex Pm, now backbencher) to offer the sun moon and stars on behalf of the current coalition govt? After some postal votes had already been sent in?
Are all the promises just designed to look as if something/anything is being done to save the Union, and occupy the airways so the YESSERS can’t get a voice in edgeways?
So what will happen if Scotland votes NO? perfidious Albion once again? How will at least 48-50% of the population (YES) and all the others who voted No react to that?
All these problems will be avoided if Scotland votes YES but then what happens to Mr Cameron’s career and government. What will the Conservative party do to the Prime Minister who lost Scotland? what will English people do to the coalition government that lost scotland?
PK, Norma agus JC, a chairde,
I never quite appreciated the following lines from the great Paul Simon’s :’You can call me Al’ till I set about answering your reasonable enquiries:
‘Don’t want to end up a cartoon
In a cartoon graveyard;
Bonedigger, Bonedigger
Dogs in the moonlight’..
And now that I do, I find that this cartoon graveyard is not quite the unenjoyable place to while away a hour or two that one might imagine. In fact, quite the o.
Actually, one tells a porkie: it is not PW who actually did the digging but his trusty researcher, the ever dependable and dogged Dickie Wiki, the walking encyclopedia.
Not quite true that one is a Dandy, albeit Black Bob’s patch was in the moonlight of that territory. Truth is, we in Warbeck Heights, though born with the proverbial silver Spoonerism in the mouth (for which PW was to be mocked by the corner boys in his local public school with the moniker ‘Posh Becks’ but which he bore with stoicism, it being the Warbeckian way) we tended to share and s. alike.
This meant the Dandy on a Tuesday was swopped for the Beano on the Thursday while both were bartered for the Topper on a Friday. PW can categorically claim that the characters he came under the influence of in those dear dead days beyond recall have left their mark upon him, to a more or less indelible degree. Whether this was for good or ill is best left to others to decide.
And Norma will take particular interest in the fact that we young Warbeck boys were embryonic feminists, even before the term had been kind of coined. We had a sister called Becky (still is, in fact) who used to, as the phrase has it, take The School Friend and the Bunty.
Unknown to Becky Warbeck, and to the wider world (until now !) we used to’ take’ it too, and purloin extended gawks at the those two civilizing publications which even Perkie’s sternest critics will contend must account in part at least for his albeit limited lease on good manners. While the Four Mary’s did it for the other two Warbeck boys, PW was firmly in the tutu (in a manner of speaking) of Moira Kent the Aspiring Ballerina. Ah, the pain, the pain of unrequited boxing gloves!
Re. Oor Wullie:, Norma: one’s intrepid investigator informs one that it featured as a strip in a Sunday Newspaper but that it was published as an Annual every Christmas. This spiky haired character in dungarees and with an upturned bucket as a seat was one of the highlights of yuletide in Warbeck Heights. Especially when he’d moan: ‘I niver get onny fun roond here’.
Poor Oor Wullie, how he must be repeating that phrase a lot of late with the frantic advent of Lord Snooty and his pals from Doon Sooth, pals like Skinny Lizzy and Swanky Lanky Lizzie, Aunt Matilda, Hairpin Huggins, Big Fat Joe , Polly Wolly Doodle and other Better Togethers from the Ash Can Alley Gang. Not to mention their mangy menagerie of Ponjo the dog, Mary the Mule, Cyril the Downing Street Jackdaw and – patronizing insult of insult,- Angus the stag.
Not forgetting Professor Screwtop. You will observe there is always, but ALWAYS, a toff prof brought along on these occasions to lend a dollop of perspective and cerebral ballast to the travelling circus. In this case, Professor Emeritus, John A. Screwtop,, D. Litt (Hon) no less. One cods you not.
Little do they know The Gaswworks Gang of the Grampians is biding its wee time in wait…..
My thoughts exactly Mighty Perk….So can i take it that you still carry a torch for Moira or have your loins since been sated outside that cartoon boneyard ?…..Minnie and Beryl were always my kinda gals…proto feminists to a {wo} man …
PK
I am away to google, Minnie and Beryl, I remember the names but cannot get them focused in my brain! Did they look like Olive Oil.
You’s are all great people, and I do enjoy the banter.
Navan man I won’t say a word come Friday.
Norma
Thank you Perkins
Yes Tuesday when I was young was my Mothers rations day.
The Beano and Dandy were bought, and then fought over, if my brother did not read them quickly to swop.
I liked Pansy Potter the strong mans daughter, and desperate Dan and his cow pie.
Bunty Judy Jackie Hotspur Casper.
I try to imagine what you look like, you have made me laugh, and out loud, you have a great talent, you should go on TV.
Do any if you’s remember the Tates and Campbell’s and Monty Python.
Are you Irish, do you hail from here, sometimes, I think you are an English toff.
Eton educated, my mind is playing tricks.
Thank you for lifting my heart and making me laugh.
Norma
There seems to be a self defeating prophecy trend with the no vote. The No side are going to win so might as well vote no. Yes side needed to be much further ahead to get the nervous over the line.
If its a no are we going to have to listen to unionist politions telling us that the union is now safer than ever before? Unionists in Ireland can say no never to a UI until they are put under serious pressure.
Also – very good debate on prime time last night in relation to home rule act 1914.