Something’s happening in Scotland. And maybe Ireland.

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Is something happening in Scotland? In Ireland? The historian Roy Foster believes there is, at least in Scotland. In his new book Vivid Faces (a phrase from Yeats’s famous poem ‘Easter 1916’), he argues that something profound has happened in the build-up to and the aftermath of the Scottish referendum. Despite the fact that their cause  of Scottish independence was clearly defeated in the recent national poll, Scottish nationalism is on the rise, not decline. Since the referendum the membership of the Scottish National party has trebled.  The age group with the highest Yes figures in the country, according to Foster, were young people – 35 and under. There is a mood of deep dissatisfaction in the country and an impatience with the old parties particularly, he says, the Labour party…Whoa there. If there’s a national rejection in the next Westminster election and Scottish Conservatives continue to be outnumbered by pandas north of the border (They’ve got one MP, Virginia, and no, he’s not a panda), there’s really going to be a political earthquake in Scotland come the next Westminster election.

Foster, as his book title suggests, sees similarities between Ireland in the second decade of  the twentieth century and Scotland today. The leaders of the Easter Rising and the subsequent struggle for independence were astonishingly young – Michael Collins was thirty-one  when he died. What’s more they were educated, some of them writers and poets, men and women  who had no time for the old ways of politics as exemplified by John Redmond and his party. So too, as Foster sees it, the upheaval in Scotland is being led by men and women who could have comfortable lives as teachers or doctors or in other professions, but who see their country in vividly different terms from the old established parties. Foster is not suggesting that Scotland will turn to violence as a response, but he believes the mood is equally impatient with the old ways.

He doesn’t dwell on Irish politics today, which is a pity, because there are changes happening here with equally profound implications. Republicans, after a violent struggle against British rule,  have turned to democratic politics, and against all expectation they have been frighteningly successful. What their enemies would describe as sell-out in the north is for them the relentless hollowing out of the old Orange state.  Sinn Féin is now the undisputed voice of Irish nationalism in the north; many believe it is only a matter of time before a republican becomes First Minister there.

But it is in the south that change in recent years has been most striking. Despite the fact that the party suffers from very few second preference votes, it has gone from nowhere to ranking just about equal with the biggest parties in the state. Needless to say the old parties have noted this and have used every trick in the book to discredit their republican opponents. Since they cannot fault them for their political involvement today, Fianna Fail, Fine Gael and Labour have all kept pointing to the violent past of northern republicanism. They also know a charismatic leader when they see one. It is no accident that campaign after campaign has been used against Gerry Adams, down to and including his arrest on the eve of European and local elections.  Time after time figures who have genuinely suffered at republican hands during the conflict or say they have suffered are marched from TV camera to TV camera, from studio to studio, in the hope that this will inoculate the electorate against this new and radical force. So far all efforts have been in vain.

28 Responses to Something’s happening in Scotland. And maybe Ireland.

  1. ben madigan October 23, 2014 at 3:24 pm #

    must try and get a copy This sounds like an interesting book Jude – maybe because it reflects much of my own thinking.
    I have long appreciated the parallels with early 20th century Ireland and the Irish Parliamentary Party – even as far as the similarity in the names of Redmond and Salmond!!

    One current factor linking the rise of the SNP and other independence parties in Scotland and Sinn fein in Ireland is people’s dissatisfaction with the current politicians and their inability to deal with the economic climate except through general impoverishment and cuts to the welfare state.

    This type of protest vote is found in other EU countries – left wing Syrzya in Greece, Podemos in Spain and the right wing UKIP and allied 5 star movement in Italy. On the other hand, political questioning and analysis of the status quo in Scotland has led to the debunking of many taken-for-granted UK myths (no bad thing) and clamour for change.

    PS the British labour party in Scotland has fallen out of favour with many scottish voters because of it supported the Conservatives and Lib-Dems in the better together anti-independence campaign.In scotland, we may see a concerted campaign to get as many Independence MPs as possible into seats in the May 2015 general election – to the detriment of the Labour Party and furtherance of more instability at Westminster

  2. neill October 23, 2014 at 3:44 pm #

    Charismatic leader mmm steady on Jude what most people see is a person who seems to be a relative stranger to the truth.

    Could you enlighten please what does Gerry Adams have to do before you doubt him?

    BTW good to see you back hopefully the University and those students are no taxing you to much?

    • Jude Collins October 23, 2014 at 5:40 pm #

      They bloody are over-taxing me, neill. Over-worked and underpaid, that’s me. ‘Most people’ – mmmm. Why not ‘most right-thinking people’. I agree with you if you’re referring to GA’s non-membership of IRA. But since he’s always made it clear he was an unambiguous supporter of the IRA, what’s the huge difference? Or is it just a handy tag? As to ‘Charismatic’ – well, you’ll probably never be convinced but there are thousands of people in W Belfast and Co Louth who think that’s exactly what GA is. PS Ummm …two ‘o’s in ‘too’…I wouldn’t be happy with an essay from you neill. Even though I like you nearly as much as I like gio 😉

      • neill October 24, 2014 at 2:10 pm #

        That’s not saying much…..; )

        • giordanobruno October 25, 2014 at 6:33 am #

          Oy! Leave me out of it.

  3. Anthony Leisegang October 23, 2014 at 3:49 pm #

    There seems to be an important rule of party politics the status quo party members of FF, FG and LP are unaware of after years of old-boys-club complacency:
    “Never overplay your opponent unsportingly, never get caught in a falsehood in doing so, or you’ll win hearts for those victims from those who have them.”
    Or something like that.
    It is closely related to: “Never kick a dog when he’s down.”
    Please don’t tell this to FF, FG or LP. If they don’t know it now they know little to nothing of jobs they’ve been paid well to do, and it’s time “every dog has his day”.

  4. Norma wilson October 23, 2014 at 4:08 pm #

    Jude

    I will say this for you, you don’t give up.
    You sound full of optimism, almost like you’ve won the lottery.
    Don’t get to excited, it’s not nice when you get disappointed, I am relaxed and confident that neither of what you predict will come to fruition.
    I find it hard to stomach how you talk about GA as if he was some sort of savior. The man is repugnant, for some one who was denying to be in the IRA he sure knows a lot about them.
    If as you say North or South vote this disgusting low life in again in the next elections, then it more than proves to me I want nothing to do with any associates belonging to his party. It must have been horrendous living in close proximity with these gangsters.
    Norma.

    • Jude Collins October 23, 2014 at 5:34 pm #

      Norma – interesting point of view. Not one shared by everyone but you’re entitled to it. But don’t get excited, especially if you’re living at a safe distance from all these inferior beings..

    • Tony mccaul October 23, 2014 at 9:30 pm #

      Norma
      Replace “relaxed and confident” with “complacent”

  5. Norma wilson October 23, 2014 at 4:09 pm #

    For Ben Madigan SAVIOUR

  6. paddykool October 23, 2014 at 4:58 pm #

    I’m no rabid supporter of any of the political parties. My natural mistrust raises my bullshit detector very quickly. Sure , there is the odd time a politician might say or do something which is , interesting, but generally ,I’m no natural camp follower. Saying that, I’ve a natural inclination towards socialist and left -wing ideas and an aversion to toryism in all its shades.
    I treat it all largely as a game because it is mostly played as a schoolyard game by adults who should have more sense .When you’ve seen the various evolutions and transformations down through the years, you can virtually see the signals , tosses and turns, coming lies and deceptions, miles before they come.What is happening currently with the media attacks on a party like Sinn Fein is such a transparent piece of stage-business that you’d swear it was all written up and practiced several years ago and is only now playing out in sequence.It’s episodic as though each little playlet is aired in a specific order .There are constant attempts to destabilise Sinn Fein as though it was twenty years ago and the IRA was still extant.
    There seems to be a lack of understanding that the past is really another country. Things really were done differently there.We are no longer in that world now though and all our politicians need to remember just what a hole we’ve climbed out of and the stinking mess we’ve all scraped off our collective shoes.We can get everyone to say sorry for all the things that were in their personal control and the minutiae that was beyond it ,but it will not solve anything. If Gerry Adams has to apologise for things that happened within the expanse of his supporters, then I suppose everyone from every party , including Peter Robinson and a variety of southern and british politicians need to apologise for everything that every one of us suffered here in Northern Ireland for some forty odd years. Politicians are very funny about the “truth” but every one of us had our lives damaged in some way by the violence and paranoia that certainly stained my own teenage years. My wife , who is a few years younger, also remembers the fear going to bed at night. We have a generation now who don’t know what it was like to have several people dying each and every day. People who had some connections to friends, family or neighbours in the small towns and villages….never mind the cities…
    Well we all lived through that somehow , with all the searches while shopping …the CCTv cameras in the pubs…all that fear and wire mesh and search patrols on the roads..Somehow we decided that all of that was “normal” everyday life after a while and continued on our merry mad way.
    They’re pretending it didn’t happen that way. .That’s everyone .Not just one side..How can you explain the fact of Ian Paisley being made a Lord? …After all the street rabble-rousing that caused so much grief…..How can you explain Trimble getting a Nobel peace prize? There’s a lot of blame to shake around…not just Gerry adams…. .These politicians were finally herded into corners and were forced to make certain decisions to let the rest of us have some peace at last. They never , ever went willingly ….all of them….and our Good Friday Agreement is still an untouchable thing to some of them. We’d never have got here without the American , The Southern Irish and …finally the British ,input.
    As I write we are still waiting for unionism to learn how to cut a deal with Sinn Fein .They haven’t even begun even to talk.In fact I don’t think they’ve even agreed what to talk about.Politicians playing games with our time , money and our lives.
    Maybe we should all say we’re sorry…collectively …for every damned thing….and then get on with something like real grown-up politics. That’s supposed to be the game now.That’s what they said they wanted Sinn Fein to engage in …until Sinn Fein actually took up the offer and became very good at it..
    For Scotland, it’s obvious that the last vote was only a staging post to test the waters for independance. With the population so evenly split and a growing younger population who believe that the current politics are really play-acting {We already know they are here!}…it’s only a matter of time before they demand another count and untether that boat for better or for worse.If they make a few mistakes initially …well…it’ll be their mistakes to make. Their own free choice.

  7. Jim Lynch October 23, 2014 at 7:09 pm #

    Norma your prejudgement of Gerry Adams blinds you to the possibility that Gerry Adams may be tellingthe truth about membersihip in the IRA.
    So if you have proof that Gerry Adams was/is a member of the IRA please show it now.
    I don’t want proof next week or next month I want it now!
    You are so convinced that Gerry Adams is lying you must have categorical proof and evidence beyond doubt he was indeed in the IRA. As far as I know definitely proof no one else has, myself included.

    The fact that you seem to hate all things Irish and your distain for the Catholic Church and Catholicism, may inhibit your ability open your mind to the possibility that Gerry Adams is not the big bad Ogre you proclaim him to be.

    So either produce that proof or please keep your mouth shut about this issue.
    In your own words; no offense!

    • Norma wilson October 23, 2014 at 8:02 pm #

      I can assure you Jim I am not offended, like PaddyKool just mentioned in his blog, I went through the dark days, married to a catholic.(still am).
      I do not have any time for the Catholic Church, this does not mean I am filled with hate, no quite the contrary, I am waiting for you all to wake up and smell the coffee.
      I am not able to afford you the time to explain. Only G-d can help you, no priests( especially the Jesuits) can help you, or Popes, I think you all pretty much know I would prefer to have been born Jewish, but that’s another story.
      To sum up my feelings on a UI, my analogy would be ” throwing away the baby and keeping the afterbirth”.
      The only thing I am pretty much in agreement with your church, is abortion. Divorce, birth control, celibacy, need to get into this century.
      Lastly if you don’t like what I have to say tough, could not give a fig.
      Norma
      I have not checked the spelling to busy busy

    • William Fay October 23, 2014 at 8:25 pm #

      You’re right Jim, GA was never in the IRA, Paisley was never a bigot, the IRA were peacekeepers, and the Brits were the cause of everything. While we’re at it, IS! ISIS ISIL, or what ever they are calling themselves, are freedom fighters, just as the IRA were in their past.

      Moving away from the irony, Jim, do you actually believe Adams was never in the IRA?

    • Antonio October 24, 2014 at 12:18 am #

      I find Adams’ denials of IRA membership very odd and there is a lot of evidence showing that he was a member of the IRA. (not least the fact that he spent a couple of decades as their main spokesperson) The only rational explanation for these persistent denials that I can see is that he would be concerned about being charged with historical membership of a proscribed organisation. I can think of no other explanation that makes any sense.

    • giordanobruno October 25, 2014 at 7:34 am #

      Jim
      Sorry for butting in I’m wondering what you would consider acceptable proof about Gerry. I have noticed from another thread you are not too concerned with proof regarding religion (something you have in common with Norma).
      There are numerous statements from former comrades claiming he was in the RA.Witness testimony would be acceptable in court.
      There are the brownie letters from his time inside.
      There is that meeting with the Brits,with Gerry representing the IRA.
      There is too the sheer weight of logic that tells us he could not have been so influential in the republican movement without being a volunteer.
      But you already know all that.
      How can we believe anything else he says when even his supporters believe he is lying about this essential part of his life?

  8. ANOTHER JUDE October 23, 2014 at 7:30 pm #

    There is a definite rise in Scotland`s sense of it`s identity, why should the poor of Glasgow or Dundee be ruled by millionaire brats like Cameron? It is no use trying to convert the Orange, they would never see the way England uses them and their slavish mentality. The old ways are changing, Scotland`s Bible thumping bigots are losing their grip. As for Gerry Adams, he is perfectly entitled to deny ever being in the IRA, the British deny collusion and murder, Gerry knows full well his admission would be used against him forever and a day and puppets would be produced, their strings being carefully moved by the free staters and the British spooks. The fact is Gerry Adams is an heroic figure to thousands of Irish Nationalists, he was interned, arrested, shot, silenced by censorship, lived on the run and seen numerous allied gunned down. He also made a huge contribution to the peace process .Fair play to him Norma.

    • Norma wilson October 23, 2014 at 11:31 pm #

      Another Jude,
      Fair play to ya, as the man himself would have said. So you see GA almost like an English Robin Hood.
      Your entitled to your views, as I am mine. Would you appreciate it, if for instance, If I thought Michael Stone, was a hero of mine, and he was doing good work at Milltown. By the way unlike you, I am speaking hypothetically here, I actually had to ask my husband to confirm his name, for I was only looking for an example.
      I also believe Bobby Sands could have been saved, but it suited GA to sacrifice him for people like you.
      So basically what your saying he can do no wrong in your eyes, that is so sad.
      We could argue alnight, we won’t agree, I don’t fly flags, don’t vote DUP. Don’t follow the twelfth, don’t like the IRA, don’t want a UI. I thank God I have lived the best years of my life, in situ. Adore the Queen, love JEWS,
      Norma.

  9. Perkin Warbeck October 23, 2014 at 7:47 pm #

    Esteemed Blogmeister, you state that Sinn Fein is the undisputed voice of nationalism in the north. Not only is it that, but is also a cult. Thus, Gerry Adams is the leader of a cult. And as befits same, he is, as you say, charismatic.

    How does Perkie know that Sinn Fein is a cult ? Because he heard the Hack with the Highest IQ in the History of the Higher Truth on Planet Thought say it this evening on the wireless as he mounted a sustained hack-attack on the….Credibility of G.A..

    Not other than F. O Toole, the totally supreme tut, tut, tutter of the T.U.T. (The Unionist Times) who actually gives tutorials in his métier to the other lesser hacks on the staff.

    This was a curious use of the c-word by the normally refined Fintan. And a coincidental choice of word too. For it was another cult, the Sunday Independent Cult, which broke the story which has engulfed the island of Ireland for the past week.

    Indeed, it was the same cult which, in a burst of post-modern tongue in the cheek irony, named the story: Typhoon Calomine. The reason for this, it has been suggested, is because the media Tycoon who controls this publication is congenitally obsessed with Typhoons.

    It is a typhoon with a difference. Most, if not all, typhoons, tend to lose force once they make landfall but not this one. If anything, Typhoon Calomine has gained in intensity and it looks at this stage as there is still a ways to go before it blows itself out and is downgraded to a mere tropical storm.

    The name was chosen a gesture of retro-respect to the great songwriting partnership, the , Leiber and Stoller Duo (LSD) one of whose many hits went like this:

    ‘Poison ivy, poison ivy
    Late at night while you’re sleeping
    Poison ivy comes a creeping.

    You’re gonna need an ocean of calomine lotion
    You’ll be scratching like a hound
    The minute you start to mess around’

    According to those of a saturnine disposition (which automatically excludes Perkie) It is a particularly apt song to commemorate as the coverage of the covering of the island of Ireland has been characterized by a rash of poison ivy in the media. Hence, the reluctance of certain reluctant nationalist columnists to shinny up particular family trees while eagerly embarking on the shinnying up of others. ‘Poison ivy’ is the perfectly plausible reason they give.

    Typhoon Calomine is different in another fundamental aspect from other typhoons. Who can forget the legendary headlines which accompanied the last perfect storm to hit the island of Ireland with such ferocity, the one dubbed ‘The Crystal Gale’:

    ‘Have you left the one you left me for
    Have you heard like me the slamming door?’.

    For this typhoon not only does not slam doors it does the polar opposite: it emphatically opens them. Hence, doors which had hitherto been securely padlocked have been flung open, door east, doors south, doors north, even doors west, doors of Prime Ministers, of First MInisters, of Foreign Ministers, of, whisper it, even the doors of Nameless Sinisters.

    Depend upon it, Typhoon Calomine will not abate till the political furniture of the island of Ireland has been tut, tut totally rearranged and Sinn Fein has been morphed into Feng Shui.

    Thus, it is scarcely a coincidence that the two tropical topics which have dominated the airwaves of the Free Southern Stateen for the past week have been: water and wind. Feng means water; Shui means wind.

    Which, oddly enough, reminds the peripathetic Perkie of the time, some years ago, when he was shanghaied by the lure of the Orient grand, specifically to a vast country not unfamiliar with typhoons which tend to last: China.

    And every month of so, while there, he minded to take himself south for a spot of r. and r. to the Killarney of China, Hangzhou. While Killarney is known as ‘Heaven’s Reflex’ Hangzhou is called ‘Paradise on Earth’.

    Confucius say: ‘All wok and no pray, make even Perkie a durr boy’.

    The morally superior (to the point of being saintly) members of the Lynch mob in the Free Southern Stateen would feel exquisitely at home in Hangzhou.

    It contains many beauty spots with beautiful names, any one of which could be aptly attached to the doors slammed open (above). Names such as: Spring Dawn at Sue Causeway, Louts in the Breeze, Orioles sing in the Willows, Autumn Moon on a Calm Lake, Melting Snow on Broken Bridge, Viewing Fish in the Flower Pool, Three Pools mirroring the Moon, Sunset Glow over the Pagoda, Twin Peaks Piercing the Clouds.

    Once, in a rare fit of perspicacity the normally dozy Perkie was nosey enough to notice how intact the splendiferous Buddhist Temples there with their chanting, bell-banging monks had survived the rigours of the somewhat secular Communist era. Mao could well have learned a thing or two from the Mayo man who is Prime Minister whose script writer coined the unforgettable phrase: ‘the swish of the soutane’.

    So enthralled indeed was Mao with Hangzhou that he chose it as the location for his summer house. Like Mao, like Mayo man.

    Hangzhou, unlike Killarney, thrived during the Ming Dynasty. Which serves to bring to mind that one of those whose door was flung open belonged to Flanagan. No, not Ming Flanagan but rather Chi Flanagan, as the Foreign Minister of the Free Southern Stateen is known to his legion of fawning fans and fannettes. Because of his weekly girding of the globe, indeed, sometimes twice weekly.

    ‘Chi’ means energy and is a central tenet of Feng Shui, that ancient body of knowledge which reveals how best to organize and optimize energy in a given room.

    Take a bedroom, for instance. Mao paid particular attention to this key space in his summer house, carefully furnishing it with, in strict adherence to traditional Feng Shui principles, with a circular water bed, commodious enough to accommodate, erm, eight.

    Unlike above, this time it will not be a case of like Mao, like Mayo man. For the task of Fengh Shuing the bedroom, with the newly forged political bedmates, north and south in mind, will fall to none other than……who else?….only the Yawnaiste herself. For her it will a , erm, shoo in.

    Who else understands better than she that the foot of the bed should not be pointing towards the door as this is traditionally known in Feng Shui as the ‘coffin’ position for the bed of the dead are normally carried out, feet first.

    With a circular water bed, it is best to leave the last word to Himself.

    Confucius say: No plobs.

  10. Norma wilson October 23, 2014 at 8:45 pm #

    1/. Why was Gerry Adams flown to London in 1972 with his other COMRADES????
    2/. He has been seen often enough dressed up in his IRA paraphernalia.
    3/. Why did Brendan the dark and one of those price sisters, the name is unimportant to me, could be Elsie Tanner for all I care. Are they liars from the same brigade.??
    4/.joe Cahills niece……..oh yes she is a liar too.
    A bit like GA’s mate, when he said “I did not have a. …………..Monica Lewinsky you know what I mean, but he did, and he is still in the IIRA, as he once said “we hav’nt gone away you know”, remember. No GA WANTS TO BE LEGIT, but to much of the brown sticky smelly stuff round him. I havnt even started on Jean McConville, come on Jim I might come from Ireland but I am not as green as you are.
    The truth will come out, watch it will, he can play with his ducks all he wants, but G-d will have the final say, and no Hail Marys will save him.
    Norma

  11. William Fay October 23, 2014 at 8:47 pm #

    It’s hardly surprising Roy Foster is eulogising these ideas, after all he’s a revisionist. I really cannot see the comparison of Scotland today and Ireland in the early 20th century, other than both were seeking independence in completely different environments.

    The Sinn Fein wagon seems to once more have entered a rut, how much will it take for their followers to see sense, the Provos still carry all the same baggage. The tactics of denial continue, and I would suggest that if Mairia Cahill wasn’t related to someone of the status of Joe Cahill, they would have deemed her a total liar

    • Jude Collins October 23, 2014 at 10:18 pm #

      I thought you’d given yourself a red card, sweet William? Welcome back!

  12. Iolar October 23, 2014 at 9:33 pm #

    Ian Kenneally’s book, ‘The Paper Wall – Newspapers and Propaganda in Ireland 1919 – 1922’ questioned stories behind headlines during the Irish War of Independence. He questioned sources, how headlines were manipulated and who wrote them. He also contextualised efforts to influence and control the press with suppression, censorship, intimidation, propaganda and violence. Ireland 2014, the proconsul believes it is not necessary to examine the role played by the security forces (?) in Kincora and in the wider community. She had little to say on the role of the so called Military Reaction Force. The gallant band of men not only engaged in crimes but boasted they would do so again.
    “…the brutality of the First World War was a factor. The propaganda of that war said it was a war to end wars, a war to free small countries.” (Kenneally 2008:171)
    Something is happening in Ireland. It is said that there is apathy in the electorate. Not so, most people know there are major gaps in what politicians say and then do. It is getting more difficult to even fool some of the people some of the time. That is progress.

  13. Jim Lynch October 23, 2014 at 11:00 pm #

    “we hav’nt gone away you know”,

    You’re making stuff up again Norma. The quote was;
    “They haven’t gone away you know.”

    The operative word there is; “They”

  14. Cal October 24, 2014 at 2:18 am #

    Financial mismanagement, Church and State abuse cases and political corruption revelations in recent years have opened a lot of people’s eyes. Some, particularly the young are no longer accepting what they’re being told. Digital media has also helped a younger generation shape their own opinions without the indos of this country telling them how things were and ought to be.

    Put simply, SF won’t be undone by an alliance of a rejected establishment.

  15. James October 24, 2014 at 12:57 pm #

    Gal, I could not have put it better myself. The establishment media (you know who you are) think they can publish speculation, innuendo and the usual ‘sources familiar with the story’, and go on to dress it up as something based on fact.
    The ongoing attempt to discredit Sinn Fein by the media and the establishment parties is a total waste of time and will only back-fire on them at election time. The digital age has moved the goalposts and people are no longer prepared to take advice from the so-called ‘experts’.
    People now have a wide range of sources at their fingertips and can make much better judgements, rather than relying on a biased media trying to manipulate them with a slanted version of events.
    I’m beginning to show my age, but one on my favourite artists, Bob Dylan says it all in his 1964 hit ‘The Times They Are A Changin’. Worth a listen on U-Tube.

  16. Jim Lynch October 24, 2014 at 7:49 pm #

    William Fay October 23, 2014 at 8:25 pm #
    You’re right Jim, GA was never in the IRA, Paisley was never a bigot, the IRA were peacekeepers, and the Brits were the cause of everything. While we’re at it, IS! ISIS ISIL, or what ever they are calling themselves, are freedom fighters, just as the IRA were in their past.
    Moving away from the irony, Jim, do you actually believe Adams was never in the IRA?

    William Fay,
    Your sarcasm is laughable and outrageous. But I’ll humor you and answer your question;
    Until I have proof (Not hearsay) that Gerry Adams was indeed in the IRA I will keep an open mind on the matter.
    Unfounded media accusations are not proof no more than your opinion is proof.
    These are all subjective and lack credibility.

    • William Fay October 26, 2014 at 1:37 pm #

      One word of a retort Jim, “pathetic”.