WHAT’S ALL THIS RELIGION   ABOUT AND WHO INVENTED IT? by Harry McAvinchey

God

Well , we may as well have a look at this one as it appears to have such a hold on the imagination and can stir up some very strong emotions, fears , hatreds and even violence .It was pointed out recently that I was very disparaging about those who hold strong religious beliefs .That was a bit strong , I thought. I don’t really care too much about it at all , certainly not to  deliberately disparage anyone , but I  do find it all a bit fascinating that people get so excited about it .

There’s a subtlety  , you see. My thoughts are that people who “enjoy” religion actually don’t really give it a lot of thought at all.Maybe they really never bothered to ask themselves any questions or hadn’t the time to think about it.  If they did they would find many questions to tussle with and answers  that made no real sense. Let’s face a few facts before we develop this one . There are millions across the world who believe in the existence of a  God  of some sort so I’ll assume that we all know what a “god” is  supposed to be,  in our minds and that somewhere in our education we’ve come across the concept..There are very many interesting religions  with adherents believing in some form of this god.Lots and lots of them.All kinds of everything. It goes into thousands , so there must be a common thread. There are the big ones like the collective Christians, the Jews and the Muslims , but it is reckoned that there are approximately around 4,200 religious beliefs across the earth at this present time.

Why is that so?

Of course , you might have grown up on an isolated island somewhere in time and never came across this “god” concept, so let’s start with the idea of god. To a believer in “god”, that  being ,creature or abstract  thinking , intelligent essence is the creator of everything  we know on earth as human -beings.

What fascinates me is  not the quantity of the differing ideas but where the ideas  originate from in the first place, and , even more to the point,why they come at all.

Anyone reading this who has a religious belief knows exactly where that came from for him or her personally .Most likely it was instilled from your early days from your parents, your school and your church. You took it for granted as  you learned to read and write  and eat and play.It didn’t start there , though. it had to start many generations back in time.

A good place to start would be with someone who has put the time and effort into a study of this .Robert Bellah, the author of ” Religion in Human Evolution” has  spent his career at Harvard and Berkeley as a sociologist of religion and has done a lot of the spadework for us , but he is only  one voice .There are many others..He is also a religious person in that he believes there is a place  of sorts , for a form of  it in his life.He may or may  not believe in god in a conventional sense, but he certainly  sees religion as a tool of social cohesion.

Many religions seem to have an association with death and how to deal with the loss of life.

If you looked for the earliest evidence for burial of the dead , you would go to Atapuerca in Spain. There you’ll find   thirty sets of bones in a pit ,   thought to be  the remains of Homo heidelbergensis .Our cousins the  Neanderthals are also  thought to have placed their dead in shallow graves  alongside some tools and possibly  parts of animals , because such bones have been found with them. They seem to have been intentionally buried like this ..These additions in the grave , possibly as a food source and with workable tools seem to indicate  that they were preparing their dead for further journeying beyond death and that they had familial or at least an emotional connection to the dead. and the possibility of some kind of life after death.

There are  such  Neanderthal burial sites to be found in Shanidar in Iraq and Krapina in Croatia and Kebara Cave in Israel.That puts them back in a time some  300,000 years ago and it was discovered in 2014 that Neanderthal DNA displays in our own genetic timeline so the Neanderthals must have bred with humans some 50- 60 thousand years ago.Modern human remains found in a cave  in Israel at Qatzeh have been dated to 100,000 years ago and various additions to the graves have been found , in a form of  deliberate, ritualised burial.

The development of shamanist art  expression seems to have been key to the creation of imagery and symbology to represent the otherwise abstract representation of  supernatural beings that would otherwise remain only in the imagination.These early artists communicated and shared these supernatural concepts with everyone else in the tribes and made them real in a material form.They would otherwise be hard to understand given that they violated any natural laws that  they could see , hear or touch.Art became entwined with religion at this point. and indicates minds that could form “religious” thoughts and ideas in an abstract way. Coloured  red ochre  paint pigments which have no real practical purpose  otherwise in a hunter-gatherer society ,,  have  been found in Stone Age sites in Africa which means it was  probably used for other ritual practices.It is still used throughout such  hunter-gatherer  societies throughout the modern world and  the red colour usually represents  blood, sex, life and death; the four most important things in life .

Many animals “grieve” at the loss of their companions in death. They show  some of the behaviour necessary in the development of religious thought, just as our hominid ancestors   must have done some 6-8 million years ago .Although our cousins the chimpanzees and the bonobas are not religious at all, they show these same traits. The difference  being that humans developed  greater brain size and intelligence.The idea of loss and ritual burial is the first sign of carrying   a religious idea .The idea of protecting the dead seems to be where it all starts..Most animals probably never consider  the concept of their eventual demise.They have no understanding of it.We  humans ,because of our larger brains, do.

During human evolution, our brain  has tripled in size,stopping  at its peak some half a million years ago. Much of the brain’s expansion took place in the neocortex. which is  the bit involved in processing higher order cognitive functions that are connected  to ideas of religiosity. It is also associated with self-consciousness, emotions and language skills.The suggestion is that religion has probably grown out of evolutionary changes which favored larger brains as a means of keeping together and cementing relationships among  the first  humans to leave the trees  and hunt on the savannah plains. The larger brains allowed these humans to think and reflect on their own limited lifespan . They no longer had the security of  limitless existence . They began to  understand the concept of death and possibly didn’t like thinking about it.

It seems that religious rituals began in Africa where we all started our long human journey throughout the world about 50,000 years ago. It had to begin after we developed a language of sorts but it most likely also had ritualised dancing and music. This was the only way these new ideas that the mind was capable of dreaming, could be shared.

This eventually leads   to  a group agreeing on an explanation of of a unknown phenomenom that they might not individually understand .Something that makes  some sense in that context and is  accepted  by the group  becomes the  dogmatic  law and carries the agreement of the tribe. This is the foundation of a social order.It is also the basis of a religion.

Many social animals develop a form of “morality ” which allows them to operate in a group structure.Human morality seems to have grown out of primate sociality. You can still see that operating in any group of apes who groom and care for each other and develop relationships .Neither is it unique because dolphins  and whales also exhibit some kind of moral sentiment.The idea is that to actually get the benefits involved in living collectively in a group, individual behaviours had to be adjusted  . Things like natural selfishness and aggression had to be toned down in exchange  for cooperation , security and finding food together.A  group working together  made more effective hunters than a lone individual.You had a better chance of getting a meal.

Even packs of wolves and chimpanzees have  a pecking order in their societies.

Every group creature   has  a hierarchy in which each member knows its place. The  social order is balanced  by certain rules of expected behavior and the  dominant group members enforce order through some form of  punishment. Primates also have a sense of fair-play. Chimpanzees remember their allies and their enemies and respond in kind , just as humans would.It is actually a balance of power, not much different to  an arms race.

Chimpanzees live in groups of around 50 individuals so it’s a fair bet that humans had similar structures  and that can easily be studied even now. . As community size increased over the course of human evolution, even greater degrees of control would have been developed  to achieve control.and a form of morality would have been needed to protect the group.. . Humans  still enforce society’s moral codes with rewards, punishments and  the concept of a “good reputation” . Humans also developed some degree of law-making  and reason  which no other animal was able to achieve.

It has been argued that religion came about in this evolving process and  used morality as a foundation -stone  adding a supernatural dimension  to include supernatural spirit beings keeping  an additional,  external eye out as a further social control. This included the ever-watchful ancestors, spirits and gods .In this context these “spirits” became as real as the humans they looked in on.

In that respect these , humans  had chanced upon a very effective tool  for restraining selfishness and making the group more cooperative.

As the limited information coming in was exchanged , early humans looked around and deduced that as they attempted some control of their environment , it followed that questions regarding things like who controlled the  daylight and made the rain fall were deduced to mean that other more powerful beings  beyond their experience actually controlled these things.

Human beings have a tendency to give even animals human qualities. This anthormorphic drive  which children still enjoy in  talking cartoon animals on television , allowed  humans to imagine these powerful beings to be like themselves and with the self-same human  appetites, but greater superheroic powers .The  imaginitive power to carry the sun across the sky in a burning chariot…to move the water in the rivers and the seas and to make the wind blow .It followed that some  of these figures were actually responsible for their very own existence and the existence of their known world.These thoughts occurred in every culture in pockets of  varying imagination .There was always  a sense of unpredictability with these “gods”, but a sense and a science of responsibility developed to attempt some explanation of their motives. The responsibility of life and death rested with them and with their changing moods.

This was  the first notion of scientific explanation for the environment .For thousands of years, if the crops failed , someone “up there” wasn’t too happy about something. The same held when people died of disease or in other unexpected ways . The idea  of sacrificial gifts to appease their bad humours came into being.It applied to everything from bad weather  to physical affliction.As years went by, thinking men realised the there actually laws of nature and it was these rather than an external deity which was responsible for change.Gradually the collection of gods were replaced by one single entity in many communities ,that was soley responsible for everything that couldn’t be explained.

About 11,000 years ago the invention of agriculture resulted in  a huge change for humanity. For the first time there was a settled  rather than a hunter -gatherer  ideal ,which happened gradually throughout the world and it was something that transformed and expanded society into large settled communities,  relatively quickly, in terms of the technology of the day and the population which grew at a rapid pace.This development demanded  a more central authority rather the the nebulous laws and beliefs of many individual foraging groups.To provide this stability, religions  became a more centralised authority and became a stabiliser  for social and economic growth.These new authorities also came to be the providers of power and security  and began to gather taxes. The new religion provided a communal bond for large groups of otherwise unrelated distinct individuals to cooperate, who may have been otherwise prone to murder and mayhem.

The ancient states of Mesopotamia and Egypt were ruled by  individuals with a two-handed role in that they were  kings and emperorors who were also religious leaders and justified their rights of leadership by assuming a divine authority from  a god , too.They held onto power by aligning themselves to this esoteric, spiritual overlord.

Artistic vision  eventually evolved into writing and communication went up a step about 5000 years ago. It is thought that this happened  in Egypt or Sumeria and was  initially used for counting goods.Next, after money, came religion .It was then that the first religious  ideas were written down by the  very few literate men .These men were a power in the spread of ideas in a society where the scratchings of writing were very much magical symbols of power. These were the first clergymen and priests.What had  previously been  only symbolic drawings became gradually an exact technological form of  written communication that a few could master.Things could be written down rather than  simply explained or half-remembered .About a thousand years ago printing was invented so that copies could be made of the words. Prior to that we had an oral tradition where nothing was written and everything was communicated by storytelling and shamanism. This is when ideas and thoughts were formulated and argued out and physically committed to history for the first time in mankind’s growth.

Developing mankind  tussled with the mystery of their own growing ego and the idea of consciousness. The idea that the mind resided as a distinct entity in some ways separate from the physical body..Where did our consciousness go at the point of dying ?. People could see that the physical body deteriorated and gradually became dust but they were loathe to believe that their mind did likewise.In that respect the religious idea that there was a god-created “soul” developed. or was an eternal part of a cosmic whole that never went away.Jews, Christians and Muslims  developed the idea  of this continuity and Hindus and Buddhist took the eternal cosmos route.The idea of morality went hand in hand with your individual place in all this and was dependant on how you behaved with your neighbours.If you were good you were rewarded .If you were bad you’d be punished.

It is apparent though , that as a person’s brain cells die at the point of death, or sometimes earlier as in dementia , the mind and consciousness begins  to die too so there is nothing left to go anywhere .

Human beings would always prefer their idea of god to be of a personal nature and to be someone they can easily relate to so it may not necesssarily be a fear for the future or even a search for some abstract meaning that drives the need for a god figure. There is always the need for a father-figure or a super-heroic being to right all wrongs .It is no .surprise that  filmstars, rockstars, footballers  and  comic superheroes are feted in popular culture  and adored  especially in large -group situations .This  behaviour  seems to fill a communal need deep in our being . We have  a tendency, as a species, to elevate special individuals  for our adoration.

We desire a hero and a “god”  has fulfilled that need. We’ve actually made him for ourselves and our own appetites.

Although humanity has at its outer reaches actually grown beyond the primitive explanations that religion and a belief in god supplied in  the past, religion has not faded away because there is still a need  for a simplistic explanation as to the reason for existence itself..We have enough available information to actually know this  but the answer may not be palatable to a species seeking a heroic ideal., Our  real problem is that many people are unable to understand  the information and religion relies on on this confusion to survive .It supplies rituals which are a balm to the oppressed but as time goes by it constantly confronts its own built-in illogic and thrashes about  in unseemly alternative  explanation of the already clearly known facts..

At its worst, a belief in god   divides communities into unreasonable, simple  tribal hatreds of misunderstanding.At its best it provides a solace in an uncompromising life.

In the end though ,God  only exists ,not because he is actually  to be found anywhere in our known universe,  but because  of  some inner deeply- buried  longing inside  the primitive part of our brains , expects him to be there.

The aforementioned  Robert Bellah has this to say , in conclusion :

“The physical world is not as dead and quiescent as Newtonian physics would have us think. And we still don’t know where life came from. I don’t think anyone in their right mind thinks God came out of somewhere to create life, but the emergence of life from inanimate matter does remain a bit mysterious. I’m not saying it won’t be explained in perfectly good natural scientific terms, but it involves things that are not your usual run-of-the-mill behaviours you’d expect to see. The world is full of questions and we can’t take anything for granted, because the more we know, the more questions are raised.”

21 Responses to WHAT’S ALL THIS RELIGION   ABOUT AND WHO INVENTED IT? by Harry McAvinchey

  1. Colmán April 2, 2015 at 4:28 pm #

    For a start nobody invented religion – that would require a plan ect. Religion developed. There are some people who believe in God and there are some who don’t. Neither are smarter or more developed they have just reached different conclusions to life.

    • paddykool April 2, 2015 at 5:25 pm #

      So I can take it you never bothered reading past the title , there , Colman?

      • Gearoid April 2, 2015 at 7:07 pm #

        Man developed a higher consciousness which realized that the cosmos did not come from nothing and that there are non-material laws and concepts which are not just subjective inventions of mankind. When all theories concerning the origins are examined and eliminated we are left with the most probable which is the reality of Divine Creator who created the conditions for men and women to evolve on earth.

        • paddykool April 4, 2015 at 8:44 am #

          Well , Gearoid , that’s one way to look at it , for sure, but it’s the ideas I’m interested in and how you personally came up with your own personal conclusions .What’s your personal story that revealed this to you and why you think it’s a great idea.?

          Why is it. that ..as you say………”the most probable which is the reality of Divine Creator who created the conditions for men and women to evolve on earth.”.

          Why do you think that it is the most probable explanation as opposed to another one?.That implies that there is a consciousness of sorts beyond us that set the whole thing running.What if it is all completely mindless and totally unconscious? What if we made it all up?Why should something beyond us care one way or the other …and why?….Like some divine farmer….
          All we really know is that there are subatomic particles in each of our bodies, stretching back some 13.7 billion years in “time”{ a sense of “time” which is also something we rely on our sun for} ..the very stardust blowing through us and the rest of the earth that we assume is a “solid” place..That is true….Why do you assume that there is a cosmic “creature” with a sense of responsibility for any or all of this life …and where and when did you figure it out and personally get that idea into your head? That is what I’m interested in.I’m still curious, you see.

          • Gearoid April 5, 2015 at 11:16 pm #

            I just believe,Paddykook, that there is something transcendent beyond our mortal bodies which points us in a direction beyond our subjective viewpoints. I sincerely believe that we are more than the material aggregation of our body parts with a spiritual dimension that our western world has lost touch with. I’m the product of a a Catholic upbringing which has held me in good stead and has enabled me to question in an intelligent fashion many of the assumptions of our western world. I don’t believe that the disciples who lived and in many cases died for their faith according to the New Testament gospel accounts were driven by an illusion but rather by the reality of a God Man called Jesus the Son of our Creator who continues to inspire so many believers to this very day.

  2. Colmán April 2, 2015 at 6:01 pm #

    No you are right. I already know of better sources for the history of world religion that don’t make condecending claims about the people who practiced it.

    • paddykool April 3, 2015 at 7:25 am #

      I thought so , Colman .A closed door then?

      • giordanobruno April 3, 2015 at 7:10 pm #

        Harry
        To be fair to Colmán though, there are books of the Bible shorter than that post.
        And in the beginning Harry begat paddy and paddy begat a very long blog and paddy saw that it was good. So he went off and begat some more.
        I’m sure if I read it I would agree with it all though.

        • moser April 3, 2015 at 8:37 pm #

          Lmao gio.

          • paddykool April 4, 2015 at 2:55 pm #

            Hopefully you’ll be able to screw that back on, moser without delay…!

        • paddykool April 4, 2015 at 8:05 am #

          Then again gio, if you’ve never read it, you’ll never really know…..

  3. BaldyBapTheBarber April 3, 2015 at 11:25 am #

    Hi Harry, hope you’re well old bean. I’m sure your Honey bees ain’t liking the miserable weather we’re having at the min, a bit like myself really.

    That was a very long blog you did there, I must admit I struggled to keep going at times, but hey ho I eventually finished it.

    There are a few things I’d like to say:

    Within your title there is the presupposition that religion was invented. You go on to try and explain this throughout your article, but you fail to address the possibility that religion was not invented. You tell us nothing of why you exclude this possibility. You say you are interested in knowing “where” and “why” religion came from, but ignoring the possibility that religion is not invented is your first mistake. Why did you do this and what are your reasons for that?

    I also feel that your blog, as it weaves and winds through the ages trying to support your invention claim, does not pass philosophical muster. Your whole article is full of caveats such as “Most likely” this, “thought to have” that, “possibly” something else, “seems to have been” something another, “probably” an example of such and such, “must have done” X.

    There are no premises to your argument bar subjective opinion and even these opinions do not logically follow to your conclusion of invention.

    You also provide a lot of detail about humanity throughout history and make a lot of statements about the natural world and present it as fact, but why should we believe you? Why should we believe you when you haven’t even advised us of your own provenance? Or the provenance of your claims? It’s only good practice after all! This further weakens your argument.

    There are also a number of conflicts, inaccuracies and omissions in the article too:

    The conflict I’m referring is that your state clearly in your title that religion is invented, yet admit or entertain the idea that “…religion has probably grown out of evolutionary changes…”. Saying “probably” is a long way from fact. This indicates to me that you don’t know if religion was invented and undermines you headline and the whole article in fact.

    You say millions of people around the world believe in God; it’s actually billions old spud. (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/25/us-beliefs-poll-idUSTRE73O24K20110425)

    Re the Omitting part; in your second paragraph you “forget” to include atheists among those who don’t give a lot of thought to what they believe. There are also quite a few things atheists must tussle with and answers that make no real sense here too. I find that quite a lot of atheist I talk to are theologically and philosophically illiterate. Have you for example reconciled yourself as an atheist with the fact that your belief system corners you to believe that morality is subjective? It’s just something that has evolved as we humans have? there is no objective moral bar? The consequences for such a faith system, is quite the quandary. For you soon realize, as Dr Dawkins did when he wrote in his book The River out of Eden, “…there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.” This means that you would be contradicting this principal paradigm of atheism each and every time you condemn war, oppression or crime as evil, or you praise generosity, self-sacrifice and love as good. Given atheism, who’s to say you are right and I am wrong?

    • paddykool April 3, 2015 at 2:39 pm #

      Great to hear from you again Baldy Bap .Hope yourself and the family are well and that you are about to enjoy a good Easter break. Are you still in the nappy-changing phase?
      It’s always a pleasure to get a reasoned response to any of my thoughts and it’s even better when someone like yourself spends some of your own precious time actually sharing your own ideas …and reading what someone such as myself has spent some hours composing and writing. It’s certainly more fruitful than a one -line response that actually adds very little to the conversation or understanding.Obviously , it depends on how much time we have to waste.
      The whole thing was kicked off , I suppose to attempt an explanation as to where I think ideas might stem from based on all the stuff I’ve read or seen , or shared throughout my long life ….and why I find some of them reasonable enough explanations to the questions some of us ask.
      Remember , not all of us ask questions at all.I’ve always been a curious cat on the other hand.
      You are right about the title!! The title is deliberately flippant . That’s a given . I sort of assumed that that’s the way it would be seen. To me , the title is a light-hearted joke.. ..the kind of flip remark that someone who had absolutely no idea of the abstract subject might actually utter. In that respect, I am quoting from an imaginary onlooker in an imaginary audience and it is only an intro to make an impression…a beginning to a conversation .It seems to have done its job and garnered a little response.You’re reading too much into my motives, though. I might want you to take a peek but i don’t want to hurt your feelings.
      You should know me enough by now ,in my varying personas , to realise that I don’t actually take myself so very po-facedly serious and that there might even be a little joke hiding in there, don’t you? In that respect, yes , i do really know that someone did not sit down with a set of plans and invent anything.
      You’ll have to admit that the subject being tackled was going to encompass the story of mankind ,so it was necessarily going to be a overly long journey and not one easily compressed into a few lines, so it was as long as a piece of string in the end. It had to run its course and had i been able to patch in all the ideas spinning around my head into a shorter piece , I would have done so.. You might imagine that it was no easy task to stitch all that human history into a slight linear tale , but that was the task.It meandered, of course but it had to compress the breadth of human evolution and relate it to our place in the animal kingdom, how we developed intellectual thought and why we did the things that we did and why we continue to do very similar things in the here and now , even after eons of time passing.
      You mention not passing “philosophical muster “, Baldy Bap.I’m not attempting to pass muster , philosophical or otherwise.I ‘m only addressing those ideas that I have come across…Rolling them out for alternative consideration, if you like. I’m not a philosopher. They are as relevant as anyone else’s ideas and there has been much research in those fields as I mentioned .I think many of them make perfect sense.
      I’ve read many things in my own life. I’ve variously read many bits and bobs from Bronowski’s “Ascent of Man” and Morris’s “The Human Ape” to a slew of David Attenborough’s observations over this past fifty years …and much more , so you might say every one of us is grappling with historical detective work and drawing whatever conclusions that are be had . I’v e read some Dawkins and some Darwin too. I read about some religions too and was educated as a Christian . That doesn’t mean i believe any of it though. Ideas will and do change all the time .it is only recently , within this past few years that we’ve gotten to grips with the mystery and revelations of our own DNA, so doubtless there’ll be more good stuff to come.We’re learning all the time .Nothing stops still. Sixty years ago DNA was all new and it is only being applied now .
      As far as treating anything I say as “fact”, well I am inviting everyone to have a look for themselves .All that information is out there awaiting the curious reader.I found every bit of it , popping out of the minds of people just like you and me ; in dusty bookshops and libraries and in the span of the world wide web. It’s lying there in the ground and in caves and museums across the planet. Every bit of it can be read by all you individuals out there.There’s nothing stopping anyone having a look.
      I didn’t make anything up at all. I never mentioned anyone’s atheism nor the billions of religious folk in the piece because it doesn’t actually really matter to me at all. I think the vast majority of people just take a lot of things for granted and really don’t give it a lot of thought . They just accept their situation an don’t worry beyond it . Whatever they grown familiar with is fine by them and they mightn’t want any more than that. Well if they are happy enough , why would they want to rock that boat anyway…good on them! There are plenty of people who never leave their comfort zone to try a different food or have a different experience .That’s just the way they are.
      That doesn’t mean they are equipped with all the information though.Many never read abook in their entire lives , for example , so how will they come across some new information other than through scraps on television or the internet .They might not have adequate reading skills either or the attention -span to apply themselves anyway. There are all sorts out there.
      My feelings deep down is that there is actually no real reason for “life” at all and that it will dissappear and be forgotten in the blink of a rook’s eye and there ‘ll eventually be nothing and nobody left to remember any of its passing….anywhere .
      That’s the human race , the earth, all our piddling worries , tussles , puzzles and problems …gone completely ….all sorted out forever!!!
      That doesn’t mean that I can’t enjoy life as it is and be beguiled by its wonder and saddened at its iniquity..Far from it.It is all the sweeter for being such a novelty.

  4. moser April 3, 2015 at 2:12 pm #

    Not taking anything away from your intellect Harry BUT, how much of what you have written is a product of your own individual thoughts ? You obviously put yourself up there above the intellectual plebs. You have been told things, read things and you “believe”. Yes, even intelligent people believe stupid things. It’s your belief that people shouldn’t have a business because they refuse to bake one cake. A family business that has been established for years and probably baked thousands of cakes. And what is their crime ? They are religious. One thing I was taught in re; the ten commandments. Another thing I believe whole heartedly. . . If we lived by those commandments, the world would be a far better place.

    • paddykool April 3, 2015 at 4:13 pm #

      How much of anything any of us think is a product of our own thoughts, moser. We’re all products of everything we suck up from the moment of birth and every one of us turns out in an individual way.Everything we know and do has its origin somewhere and is a compound of all we’ve done and experienced. Each of us are like that .Why should you or I be any different?

      There are no cakes mentioned in this article either , so you’ve caught the wrong bus on that one …..but…

      On that subject of cakes I’ve already explained elsewhere that as far as cakes are concerned that there is a compromise staring them all in the face…There no problem baking them at all but it is the illustration service that is causing these bakers the problem.They can’t do it and ,because of their beliefs they can’t illustrate them for all the public within the civil law, so maybe they should simply discontinue that particular service and just continue baking.I’m sure the cakes taste just as good without the slogans Just tell the customers that illustrating cakes is no longer part of the deal..

      • moser April 4, 2015 at 3:19 pm #

        Well said Harry.

  5. paddykool April 3, 2015 at 3:57 pm #

    PS Baldy Bap…The honeybees most certainly do not like this weather .Where did Spring go?

  6. paddykool April 3, 2015 at 5:27 pm #

    By the way moser, I have no idea what you actually mean by “intellectual plebs” and setting myself above them . Jude will tell you himself that if you’ve a piece to write or an axe to grind… and it scans and reads with a bit of brio, he’ll put it on his blog.So far he’s allowed me to do it on about 200 odd occasions , write whatever pops into my head at that moment and send it in …..and he hasn’t smacked me in the metaphorical mouth yet, so I’m sure if you or anyone else has a story to tell , he might give you a shot on the firing- line and give you your fair share of abuse and a shot at redemption.
    I’m reminded of an interview I did for a particular art college some forty plus years ago where I was asked as they shuffled through my portfolio ,if i considered myself an intellectual. Not knowing if there was a special stamp on my forehead denoting that I swung either way, or if there was something in my artwork that was giving the game away , thinking on my feet, I declared that it would probably take an intellectual to know that and also to ask the question…..No I didn’t get into that particular college …I had to try another!!!

  7. moser April 4, 2015 at 3:20 pm #

    I enjoy reading your posts Harry.

    • paddykool April 5, 2015 at 8:01 am #

      hopefully that will continue , moser .Happy Easter.

  8. moser April 5, 2015 at 12:40 pm #

    Same to you and all your family Harry.