28 Responses to Me ‘n’ Ruth ‘n’ Willie today on Talkback (mainly Ruth, actually) – from 6 mins 50 secs on ..

  1. angela January 20, 2016 at 9:12 pm #

    Aw Jude I heard it all! How did you keep a straight face.It was better than the “Hole in the Wall Gang” (which I never did find very funny) Best laugh I’ve had in ages. I’m looking forward to hearing herself and oor wee Jamie leading up to the elections…..not to mention oor wullie putting in his halfpenny worth. Talk about the three stooges!

  2. jessica January 20, 2016 at 9:28 pm #

    Wow, what a change.

    If removing one union flag can cause that, imagine what it will be like when Britain leave altogether!!!

    There is hope for reconciliation yet…

    Seems like all it takes is removing the union out of Ireland, now there’s a surprise.

  3. Iolar January 20, 2016 at 9:40 pm #

    Two interesting developments in the latter part of the programme. The Rhodes Must Fall (RMF) campaign is part of a wider ‘decolonisaton’ movement at the prestigious institution which has served as a training ground for the British establishment for centuries. Students voted to remove the statue of Victorian imperialist Cecil Rhodes, from the Oxford University grounds. A scholar at the University rebuked Ruth Dudley Edwards for her ad hominem contribution.

  4. jessica January 20, 2016 at 10:00 pm #

    Didn’t give it long enough.

    Started off so well, not sure if it was Willie who brought back down to the norm or if you were wearing a tri-colour hat and dancing a jig around the room in front of her Jude.

    Nice one on the burning of the flag.

    A very honest interview that sums up unionism perfectly.

    Pure bigotry and hatred.

  5. Sherdy January 20, 2016 at 10:03 pm #

    Jude, there seems to be something about women called Ruth and yourself!
    Do they need protection from you, or vice versa?
    Or maybe its just consenting adults.

    • Jude Collins January 21, 2016 at 9:33 am #

      You naughty boy, Sherdy. Can I help it if the poor creatures fly into my flame???

  6. billy January 20, 2016 at 10:20 pm #

    just because slemish is just up the rd from buckna she thought st.patrick was a snout.
    and their wondering how their kids are under achieving.

    • BYC January 21, 2016 at 12:09 pm #

      Might be more to do with doctrinal and political differences between the early Irish church and the accumulating innovations of the papacy. Patrick was preaching before the Synod of Whitby brought the Roman rules from the Council of Nicea into the British and Irish church. So the argument is that the corruptions that Luther protested against weren’t part of Patrick’s theology.

      You’d have thought that as the BBC’s appointed theological historian William Crawley would have known that and been less scathing.

      Also “snouts” . That’s classy.

  7. Am Ghobsmacht January 20, 2016 at 11:45 pm #

    My word

    She started off OK and then nosedived, I could almost hear her reach to slap her researcher when William came out with the points regarding St Patrick and the Pope (although had she hired someone other than Jamie Bryson she might have pointed out that ‘the Bishop of Rome’ in a pan-Christian church is not the same as THE Pope).

    As for pre-reformation Protestants; Jan Hus maybe, St Patrick (and or Paladius) certainly not!!!

    As for Wullie…. Dr C, your Windsor flag-flying point caught him out like a kangaroo in headlights and it is a very very valid point so far without a satisfactory answer.

    • BYC January 21, 2016 at 12:53 pm #

      You’ve got to give Willie points for brass though. He just said that the four parts of the UK were their own countries with their own cultures and we don’t need to do what the English do. How do you beat bulletproof logic like that?

      • jessica January 21, 2016 at 4:17 pm #

        “You’ve got to give Willie points for brass though. He just said that the four parts of the UK were their own countries with their own cultures and we don’t need to do what the English do. How do you beat bulletproof logic like that?”

        It is the closest I have heard to unionists telling the truth.

        The UK was 4 countries each with their own cultures, the reason for home rule was so we wouldn’t need to do what the English do and hopefully it would have led to a united and peaceful independence, perhaps even within the UK, the problem is unionism prevented that from happening for selfish reasons over protestants in the north being financially better off with their shipbuilding industry being the wealthiest part of Ireland and unwilling to share, instead partitioning one of the 4 countries which in turn led to one of those parts leaving the UK and the others economy crashing anyway when shipbuilding slumped and it become a bitter sectarian statelet with no prospects.

        Willie is at least more accurate in his statements than Ruth was, who was simply ignorant of the facts.

  8. Am Ghobsmacht January 21, 2016 at 12:12 am #

    BTW, the Anglo sounding fella @36min is wrong by his own token argument in stating that St Patrick was ROMAN Catholic as Rome was A Bishopric of the era in a time before the Great Schism (yes, Rome did it’s own thing decades/centuries later but at that time it was part of a greater church in which it was not top dog)

    Latin Christianity in that era was centred around north Africa, Rome was not the bees’ knees.

    Constantinople was the main parade when it came to Christianity and funnily enough the ethos of may of those ‘Celtic’ (a very lose term) saints such as Kevin, Brigid and Kevin etc had more in common with what we now consider the Orthodox church than the Roman Catholic church (a fascinating topic).

    Ireland’s ‘Catholicism’ came with St Malachy and the soon-to-follow Anglo & Cambro-Normans (if I recall correctly it was they who cemented the importance of saints, though I may be mistaken, my books are too far away for me to reference), a great irony of the invasions.

    it’s all very complicated and confusing and anyone who has a horse in the race will come out disappointed.

    Especially those who see St Patrick (or Paladius) as Protestant or Catholic.

    • jessica January 21, 2016 at 9:38 am #

      “Especially those who see St Patrick (or Paladius) as Protestant or Catholic.”

      St Patrick is the patron saint of Ireland AG, it is about celebrating irish culture and having a day of enjoyment whether it be family, teenage or adult.
      Irelands day would be just as suitable, not everyone celebrating even thinks about religion?

      The point is, as I am sure you are aware. Ruth and co demonstrated to the world the blind hatred that is behind unionism.

      It is not an acceptable Ideology in Ireland, that is to oppress Irish culture and promote a sectarian protestant dominant culture similar to white supremacy in the states over blacks.

      Unionism must be treated as no different to the white democrats, the orange order as the klu klux klan. Period.

      • giordanobruno January 21, 2016 at 1:19 pm #

        jessica
        One day you say unionists are entitled to their views and will be welome in a United Ireland the next you are back to calling them sectarian white supremacists, who should be treated as pariahs.
        Which is it?

        • neill January 21, 2016 at 3:01 pm #

          I think she tries to be liberal but just cant manage to do it for any length of time.

          • jessica January 21, 2016 at 7:56 pm #

            “I think she tries to be liberal but just cant manage to do it for any length of time.”

            Liberal would be not refusing to engage in an honest discussion to determine whether or not our people would be better off in a unified Irish economy neill.

            What have you got to fear?

            When unionism learns the meaning of liberal, I am certain it will be reciprocated.

        • jessica January 21, 2016 at 3:04 pm #

          “One day you say unionists are entitled to their views and will be welome in a United Ireland the next you are back to calling them sectarian white supremacists, who should be treated as pariahs.
          Which is it?”

          I have never said unionism is welcome in Ireland, why the hell would I say that?

          I have no problem with anyone living on this island including those who claim to be unionists and yes they should be as welcome in a United Ireland as they have made us in Ireland under partition. No wait, perhaps they should be even more welcome since it would not be nice to treat anyone the way they have treated us.

          If Ireland was united tomorrow, the unionist people would still be there, but it would be pretty pointless to describe themselves as unionist would it not?

          They would be simply friends and neighbours as tribal divisions would no longer be relevant.

          Their community aspirations would be acknowledged and treated fairly, something that is not possible for them to reciprocate under British rule and why the only solution is for British rule to go.

          • neill January 21, 2016 at 4:21 pm #

            Jessica i am sorry but i suspect you are slightly unhinged if you think any unionist will believe any of that guff you have come out with.

          • Jude Collins January 21, 2016 at 11:58 pm #

            Neill – perilously near abuse…

          • jessica January 22, 2016 at 7:02 am #

            “Neill – perilously near abuse…”

            Really, I understood perfectly what neill meant and thought it was reasonable.

            There is a strong distrust between our communities Jude, we at times detest what one another’s views are.

            Sometimes debate needs such strong language to get across the importance and level of impact of what our opponent is saying.

            In the context of our discussion I would consider neills remarks perfectly acceptable and it did not fizz on me any impropriety.

          • jessica January 22, 2016 at 6:54 am #

            “Jessica i am sorry but i suspect you are slightly unhinged if you think any unionist will believe any of that guff you have come out with.”

            What unionists care to believe is not my concern in the slightest neill.

            I do not subscribe to the idea of nationalists having to convince unionists of anything.

            Unionist leaders lie through their teeth to their electorate to get their votes and manipulate their fears.
            Ian Paisley whipped them into a frenzy over an IRA invasion when it is now known the IRA would not have existed beyond the 60s had he not done so.

            Why would you believe the very people your leaders are calling rogues and renegades anyway?

            Neill, if you feel even with a growing catholic population, the union is safe, then by all means continue your hard nosed approach to not even put the possibility of unification on the table or consider its advantages for all of the people if done through agreement to which I am telling you nationalists would currently bend over backwards to accommodate.

            But if unionism continues to pursue this line then do not expect to get all your way when there is a nationalist majority. I have no doubt your concerns will be treated fairly and probably more fairly than you would deserve but being pushed all they way will allow people like myself to use this to prevent softness and that unionism cannot be trusted.

            If you feel it will take many years for the over 65 group to decline before that majority will surface then understand it is a risk unionism is taking in continuing being intolerant today.

          • giordanobruno January 21, 2016 at 4:53 pm #

            jessica
            Your reply is contradictory.
            You have no problem with anyone living in Ireland but unionists are not welcome?
            Why would they not be unionists any longer?

          • jessica January 22, 2016 at 6:29 am #

            “Your reply is contradictory.
            You have no problem with anyone living in Ireland but unionists are not welcome?
            Why would they not be unionists any longer?”

            Oh no it isnt gio.

            If Ireland was united, I would hardly be calling myself a nationalist would I?

            I am a nationalist because our nation is divided geographically and because I want an end to such partition, just like the felling of the berlin wall.

            Because nationalism will no longer be a relevant term, there will no longer be a nationalist or any tribal identities, we would all become simply people.

            Unification of Ireland would remove such tribal divisions so yes, nationalist and unionist labels would be no more.

            The GFA is a one way street. It allows a referendum to remove Britain, but in such an event, there will be no option to get back in again except by convincing a majority of the whole island it is what s best. Threats of violence and gerrymandering are not democracy.

          • giordanobruno January 22, 2016 at 4:16 pm #

            jessica
            That makes no sense.
            Anyone who is a unionist now could choose to campaign peacefully for Ireland (or even part of it) to re-unite with the UK, could they not?
            It might be unlikely but they would still be entitled to do so, and thus they would still be unionists.
            I hope you are right that there will no longer be any tribal identities, but I have my doubts (for a few generations at least.)

          • jessica January 23, 2016 at 2:00 pm #

            “Anyone who is a unionist now could choose to campaign peacefully for Ireland (or even part of it) to re-unite with the UK, could they not?”

            There already is people in Ireland (south) who want just that, I have no problem with that whatsoever but they do not call them selves unionists.

            Unionism is not about wanting Ireland to be part of the UK, it is wanting Ulster to be a protestant parliament for a protestant people, to have sectarian division and similar control over this place as the white supremacists in the US had over blacks and only through England have they been able to achieve that in the past.

            Those days are gone forever. You only need to look at their desperate attempts to regain it, graduated response, flag protests forever. What a pathetic joke.

            You are going to have to accept that sooner or later.

    • paddykool January 21, 2016 at 5:42 pm #

      As usual Am Ghob, you’ve got the facts rather than the fictions right at your fingertips.Wheras the likes of Ruth , Jamie and Oor Wullie never seem to read anything at all.Jude really had a circus moment with entertainers of that calibre. What do you reckon ….could there be a television series in it ? Nolan is already churning out one with another fine collection of aural gagsters called “Radio Face”…. .I can just about visualise Jude with a ringmaster’s hat and a whip …..

  9. ben madigan January 21, 2016 at 1:15 am #

    I Listened to the first part of the programme starring DUP-less Ruth https://eurofree3.wordpress.com/2016/01/20/historical-revisionism-goes-full-retard/

  10. Perkin Warbeck January 22, 2016 at 7:51 am #

    Waited, Esteemed Blogmeister, till one was feeling particularly, erm, Ruthless before bending an ear to the radio clip.

    Talk about Theatre of the Air, complete with the mandatory dual mask of comedy and tragedy. Ruth Patterson provided the Smiley Face while, as ever, Ruth Dudley Edwards effortlessly supplied the Glum Puss.

    In the first instance, the comic high-point was scaled when the Lady Ruth doth protest too much about St. Patterson’s, oops, St. Patrick’s Protestantism, or was it, his Former Protestantism. One understands Ruth P. is both an OBE and the holder of an Honorary Doctorate. Presumably, on both counts, for her great contribution to the gaiety of the nation, about which there is such a lot of talk these days.

    (Kudos, EB, for the keeping of a straight face. Though, of course, it does contain an inbuilt danger. One of the lesser known baubles which Queen Elizardbeth has in Her gift is The Keeper of the Great Clock at the Top of Big Ben. No, honest. And as this cracking year of 2016 marks the momentous occasion of Her Majesty’s being Up to Ninety, royal rumours are already rife that a new bauble is in the offing and the offloading. So, be sure to keep a low profile in the event of The Keeper of the Straight Face on the Non-smile Dial being getting give out.)

    In the second part of the programme, in which all r. led to Oxford, to do with the proposed tossing of the statue of the eminent Victorian tosser, Cecil Rhodes, the comedy reached an even more sublime pitch, being of the unintentional kind. To the supplier of same, Ruth Dudley Edwards, aka One Fruit Ruth (see below) as ever: re-spect.

    During the course of her rather exasperated contribution – how difficult it must be for an articulate historian to have any truck with non-articulated non-historians ! – she did sadly sigh that ‘over in the Republic of Ireland where I come from’ folk thankfully treated their statues with more tolerance.

    (Horatio: ‘Emma, honeybunch, you could have knocked one’s Pillar down with a featherlite !’).

    With time running out on the studio hickory dickory clock, One Fruit Ruth made sure to get her mandatory quick-pick kick in:

    -But, of course, if Advanced Nationalists had got their way, not a single Georgian building would have been left standing in Dublin.

    Hmmmm. This debate, oops, conversation on Statues sets up the possibility of an even more laugh-provoking programme. All it would require is the insertion of an extra ‘t’ – the really rib-tickling t. Specifically the third ‘t’ contained in Statutes, as in the Statutes of Kilkenny.

    Which was all to do with the comical idea of cultural cleansing, and has found its contemporary expression in the annual unfunny festival, The Cat Laughs which seems to traces it immediate paternity to Father Tedium.

    Of course, as the Statutes of Kilkenny bring us back to the historical , yet oddly contemporary, year of 1366, there can be only one guest chairman, oops, chairwoman, oops, chairperson:

    One Fruit Ruth

    The sad loss of SirTony meant her boss was now Dinny
    To in-house Mickey Mouse she still gets to play Minnie
    ‘Oranges and Lemons’
    Re Bells of St. Clemens
    ‘I’ll just hava Jaffa’, is the said Edwardian gimme whinny.