‘Brexit: A Nation Once Again?’ by Dónal Lavery

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There has been surprisingly little debate within the nationalist community about the possibility and implications of a Brexit next month. I declare my hand – I intend to vote Leave. My reasons? Economic, constitutional, democratic and philosophical. Make no mistake about it, I believe that Ireland should be a reunified, sovereign, federal Republic – with regional administrations in each province, similar to the German model. But that does not mean that I want to be governed by German financiers, who I do not elect and cannot remove. I would also advocate, with every breath God affords me, that Ireland needs its own currency, to fluctuate or devalue accordingly, to pay for the Scandinavian-style living standards which I want to see every child, pensioner, youth and adult, enjoy as birthright on this island. The freedom and independence to govern ourselves, to decide our own destiny and to plan our own priorities, is as remote to the European Union as life is to Jupiter – under the 3% limit placed on deficits by the Maastricht Treaty, we cannot be anything but a Thatcherite state, tarting ourselves up to attract big business by slashing taxes and spending.

But how does this relate to a British exit from the European Union? Well, my estimation is that the UK leaving the EU will trigger a domino effect, leading the financially oppressed peoples of Italy, Portugal, Spain and Greece, to bring down the House of Cards that is the Brussels gravy-train by doing likewise – with youth unemployment in those countries now tragically touching 50%. In the debris of the former EU, a free trade agreement would manifest across the continent, as well as a mutual assent for continental peace. How can we be so sure? The German export market would demand such arrangements from Mrs. Merkel and Mr. Schauble, to maintain their auto-industry sales, with the rest of Europe wanting tariff-free access to London financial and Irish agricultural markets. Now, we all know there are national divisions regarding the European Union across what is called the ”United Kingdom”, with the potential to forge serious wedges and breakup within the Union itself (especially if Ms. Sturgeon has her way).

Given the complicated history between Britain and Ireland, it is understandable that some Irish people fear a Brexit and the perceived impact that could have on relations. But realistically, both nations have successfully forged far more historic, monumental and seismic agreements this past 30 odd years than the European Union ever has, so do not believe the myth of our own inadequacy that we somehow could not have a mutually beneficial consensus with Britain on things like trade and enhancing the peace in the North. Such arrangements existed in areas of citizenship, migration and rights before the EU had even been conceived, and will stand long after it crumbles, like the Roman Imperium before it. Given that it is the decade of centenaries on this island, let us ask plainly – would the leaders and heroes of both great traditions on this island have favoured shedding the dignity of sovereignty for the tyranny of Brussels? Would Lord Carson or Mr. Connolly have trusted the Phil Hogan’s and Peter Mandelson’s of the unelected European Commission to preside over our affairs and most aspects of our lives? Considering the current constitutional position of the North, we cannot continue to ignore that we are helping to subsidise the EU to the sum of a brand new hospital every week (£350 million), for access to a market and zone that is declining daily – continuing to pay more, while consistently receiving less.

It is true that all of the European peoples have been influenced by important commonalities which have shaped our lives enormously, for better and for worse. But we do not share the same mentality as every other European population or citizen regarding the ideological make-up of the governments we elect – After all, Spain opted for communism in an era when Germany turned fascist. It is not the case that I do not believe that other European states are incapable of electing sensible left-wing, progressive governments to run their affairs – It is however the realisation that I do not want to spend the rest of my life waiting for them to do so, when we, ‘ourselves alone’, are capable of doing that on this island. We, who brought an Empire to demise. We, who had the highest quality of life in the world in 2005 (according to ‘The Economist’). We, a land of Saints & Scholars, who’s thinkers and laureates thrive on their own sagacious talents. So, to the critical thinker and undecided I urge caution – Ask yourself, could we elect a left-wing, truly progressive government on this island, wishing to pursue the politics of equality, while stuck in a monetary and constitutional union with Thatcherite neighbours across Europe? This straight-jacket would leave us Bolsheviks in a Tsarist cabinet, sharing a currency with states big enough to out-vote us.

Those who think Ireland will be reunified via European integration should consider the hypothesis of what sort of government, if we would have any national government by then, would rule over us? Is the surrender of sovereignty for perceived expediency as such, a principle worth forfeiting? For once it’s gone, it’s gone forever, in a corporate world. Just like the people of Greece, we would be crushed under the heel of the Lisbon Treaty (which Ireland made toilet-paper of), if we dared to raise our heads in opposition to ”Frankfurt’s way”. My final point of discourse is more straight-forward, the philosophical one – Who are we in this world? And, what are we exactly? True, human beings are not defined by the stamp on their passports. But surely the answers to those questions are a matter for us, as a sovereign people, to decide, as nature intended. Whatever we are, our destiny is our own, not a commodity to be traded. Or as Shakespeare opined – ”To be, or, not to be. That is the question!” – So, to be ourselves in this life, or, not to be ourselves. Personally, I think we are good enough to be ourselves.

19 Responses to ‘Brexit: A Nation Once Again?’ by Dónal Lavery

  1. billy May 23, 2016 at 5:16 pm #

    not a word about the worst problem,the benefit tourists pouring in under the guise of refugees.

    • jessica May 24, 2016 at 6:57 am #

      “not a word about the worst problem,the benefit tourists pouring in under the guise of refugees.”

      Will you be participating billy?

      An exit would put greater controls over said benefit tourism

      You were ahead of me in the not voting thing, would be interested in your thoughts on whether or not to participate. As yet I am undecided

      • billy May 24, 2016 at 2:14 pm #

        no.. i wont be participating,voting is way down my list of priorities especially if this weather keeps up ile be sitting fishing somewhere hope i dont get mistook for a refugee with all the suntan.lol.

    • Ryan May 24, 2016 at 8:36 am #

      Your right Billy, the large bulk of them from countries already in the EU. When it comes to the Refugee Crisis (which is manufactured by the EU itself) most of those travelling aren’t even Syrian but Pakistani and Iraqi and the vast bulk are young men, many of which resort to violence once their path is blocked by countries like Hungary. The last time I looked illegal immigration was…..illegal? so why is the EU letting them in in their millions? Well my theory is they are letting millions in because they know they will be Pro-EU voters and will vote to keep the EU whilst the EU hasn’t been more despised by the native European population. This Summer alone there is expected to be close to an extra 200,000 Africans crossing into Europe, that’s not counting the “refugee crisis”. Gerrymandering and corrupting democracy isn’t just unique to the North of Ireland, you see.

      I have great sympathy for any people fleeing war, oppression, etc but letting millions of these people into Europe is heading for disaster and is wrong. The Liberal mind set is “All people are the same”. The simple reality is: we’re not. Europeans are not Asians, Asians are not Europeans, Europeans are not Africans. We all have VERY different values, beliefs and traditions. When these values come into conflict then we have disaster. No one should know this better than people in the North of Ireland.

      Just take the average IQ of these people coming in from Africa and Asia. The average IQ in Europe is 100, which is pretty good. The average IQ in Africa is 75…..yes, 75. Having an IQ below 90 is considered poor intellect, the inability to learn complex subjects like Science or Languages. The average IQ in the Middle East is around 85…..again very low. Low IQ societies are all rampant with crime, poverty, abuse and corruption.

      This is what we’re importing into Europe. Not to mention many of them are Muslims. Now before anyone takes a hissy fit because I mentioned “Muslims”, I’m not anti-Muslim but the Islamic World is hardly an example for how Europe should be run. Look up how many Muslim democracies there are in the World, I can only think of one and that’s Turkey, out of a total of maybe 30 Islamic countries. And Turkey, btw, is a brutal society, there is no proper free speech in Turkey and the freedom of the press and women’s rights are minimal.

      I’m only interested in the facts and truth, I’m not interested in political correct nonsense. But the reality is Europe is heading for disaster unless something is done.

  2. Sammy McNally May 23, 2016 at 5:44 pm #

    re. “here has been surprisingly little debate within the nationalist community about the possibility and implications of a Brexit next month.

    It is difficult to see how Brexit will not lead to border posts and controls between North and South – and seriously increase the chances of a return to violence.

    And there has been no proper debate on how border controls can be avoided.

    But I wouldn’t get your hopes up anyway as Paddy power has staying in at 1/6 and it was 1/3 last week.

    • jessica May 24, 2016 at 7:03 am #

      “It is difficult to see how Brexit will not lead to border posts and controls between North and South – and seriously increase the chances of a return to violence. ”

      It would be in England’s better interests to have stricter border controls over the whole of this island and not just north south.

      The greatest border checks in the event of brexit, I imagine would be east west and for everyone.

      “And there has been no proper debate on how border controls can be avoided. ”

      The lighter they will be north south, the greater they will be east west don’t you think?

  3. fiosrach May 23, 2016 at 5:51 pm #

    The fact that the colonists here want out is good enough reason to stay in. Sammy Bareass has shown the direction.

    • jessica May 24, 2016 at 6:53 am #

      “The fact that the colonists here want out is good enough reason to stay in. Sammy Bareass has shown the direction.”

      That is typically the mindless logic of unionists fiosrach .

      We should make our own minds up whether or not to participate and if we do, what to support.

      There will be no guarantees, so all we can do is throw out potential pros and cons and make a choice, but lets use our heads on this.
      It has the potential to make more of a difference in Ireland than any election since the GFA.

    • Ryan May 24, 2016 at 9:03 am #

      Your going to have a far more brutal group of colonists here in time than any Brit was if Ireland stays in the EU fiosrach. Cutting off your nose to spite your face isn’t the right tactic here. Remember, its not just you or your families future that is going to be impacted here, its that of all of the Irish nation and OUR children, and we do NOT to have right to sell off our country, our heritage, our identity and our destiny which millions of our ancestors throughout history bleed and died for.

      My great grandfather didn’t fight for Irish Independence along with his son and then my father just so Ireland could be ruled from Brussels.

      If you want Irish Unity to be a lot closer than it is now, then you’ll vote to leave the EU. The best outcome would actually be for NI, Scotland and Wales to vote stay but England drags us all out.

      • jessica May 24, 2016 at 2:16 pm #

        “we do NOT to have right to sell off our country, our heritage, our identity and our destiny which millions of our ancestors throughout history bleed and died for. ”

        Someone should tell that to the Dublin establishment.

  4. Wolfe tone May 23, 2016 at 8:24 pm #

    It makes no difference the Irish people being run by the British or Germans. Cameron and co may fear their colonial views for the rest of the world could be compromised if the leave the EU I.e if they isolate themselves internationally then the EU,NATO,G7 etc might isolate them in return? Then won’t do for such a ‘great’ power; their ego demands that they remain at the top tables.
    Personally I will be voting to leave. If it causes unrest in Britain then I am all for it! If border posts are erected then it will remind people that the British rulers havnt gone away you know.
    Btw maybe the EU will facilitate a Irish unification debate just so they can poke the British in the eye in the event of a brexit? One things for sure they won’t do it if Britain remains.

    • jessica May 24, 2016 at 6:43 am #

      “Btw maybe the EU will facilitate a Irish unification debate just so they can poke the British in the eye in the event of a brexit? One things for sure they won’t do it if Britain remains.”

      That is yet another good point worth considering WT. I don’t agree that the EU will facilitate a Irish unification debate, but more importantly, the British state have constantly rubbed salt in the wounds by destroying and hiding all evidence of the true extent of their involvement in the conflict here while at the same time promoting that republicanism was the root of all evil.

      To date, the EU have done diddley squat, to try and persuade them to come clean in the interests of peace and stability.

      If the cover up over Kincora with only one survivor still alive and fighting for justice alone doesn’t warrant their support then what is the point?
      Are we just as self cantered. Can you imagine the US or France tolerating even one of their citizens being treated so abysmally?

      As Michael D said, there has been no scrutiny over the British involvement in Irelands past conflicts, that needs to change.

      If the EU forced the release of at least the evidence discovered accidentally in inquiries to date then that alone would be worth supporting a European union.

      If it is only about opening borders for free trade and allowing all nations to borrow at Germanys rate so they can get themselves into greater debt and overheat their economies so the people can buy German cars then I look forward to the day it collapses.

  5. jessica May 23, 2016 at 8:26 pm #

    “I believe that Ireland should be a reunified, sovereign, federal Republic – with regional administrations in each province, similar to the German model.”

    I also think devolution in a reformed Ireland would be a good thing Donal.
    The wants and needs of Dublin are very different to other parts of the country.

    “I would also advocate, with every breath God affords me, that Ireland needs it’s own currency, to fluctuate or devalue accordingly, to pay for the Scandinavian-style living standards which I want to see every child, pensioner, youth and adult, enjoy as birth right on this island. ”

    The only way we could achieve that would be to milk the tits out of the global interest in the troubles, build a troubles museum and build a multi tiered tourism industry including the new found interest in Ireland as a film making hot spot, our geographical assets coupled with a colourful history and if we could only end our own internal conflicts successfully, schools all over Europe would be visiting a museum of conflict resolution which if built around the land at the maze which has acre after acre of prime development land running right all along the M1 motorway with access to shipping ports and airports, we could develop a tourism industry reaching into every part of Ireland to share the wealth distribution evenly and not so focussed around Dublin.

    We are an island with natural resources that could be 100% self sufficient energy wise within 5 years, concepts have been proven and something is putting a handbrake on this industry development, deliberately from within Dublin. I would like to know why?

    To have our own currency however, we would also need a strong financial sector which we are nowhere near having, but we do have the potential of we worked together. Are the Irish people capable of doing that though? We are a bunch of selfish be grudgers who look after our own little part of Ireland and have never really looked at the bigger picture. I have no idea how to change that but remaining within the EU which I believe will collapse eventually anyway could still be the best road to get there.

    “Well, my estimation is that the UK leaving the EU will trigger a domino effect, leading the financially oppressed peoples of Italy, Portugal, Spain and Greece, to bring down the House of Cards that is the Brussels gravy-train by doing likewise – with youth unemployment in those countries now tragically touching 50%. ”

    I agree completely, the EU is already over stretched and hiding the true extent of its economic position for the benefit of the bond holders who have many hundreds of billions of pounds to lose. It could cause a global economic crisis like never seen before. I doubt the UK will be allowed to leave.

    “But realistically, both nations have successfully forged far more historic, monumental and seismic agreements this past 30 odd years than the European Union ever has, so do not believe the myth of our own inadequacy that we somehow could not have a mutually beneficial consensus with Britain on things like trade and enhancing the peace in the North. ”

    England doesn’t give a shit about the north or any of Ireland for matter.
    Have we learned nothing from our history?
    England does what is best for England, period.

    We could not have such a relationship with England without becoming subjects once more and minnows within a reformed union of these islands.
    Is that a price worth paying for a 32 county independent Ireland do you think Donal?

    “Given that it is the decade of centenaries on this island, let us ask plainly – would the leaders and heroes of both great traditions on this island have favoured shedding the dignity of sovereignty for the tyranny of Brussels? ”

    You mean, throwing off the croppy boy image towards England and swapping it to be the croppy boys of Europe?

    “Considering the current constitutional position of the North, we cannot continue to ignore that we are helping to subsidise the EU to the sum of a brand new hospital every week (£350 million)”

    No we’re not, we taking hospital beds into the car park and burning them.
    Without a cohesive government, NI is economically unworkable. It is getting better and has potential once unionism is no longer at the helm.
    Until them, we can hardly describe ourselves as a positive contributor to these new hospitals.
    It is only through a stable all Ireland economy we can turn this around.
    If only Dublin would take it seriously.

    “Is the surrender of sovereignty for perceived expediency as such, a principle worth forfeiting? ”

    Do we have much of a sovereignty to surrender do you think?
    I think we should focus on building one first.

    “My final point of discourse is more straight-forward, the philosophical one – Who are we in this world? And, what are we exactly? ”

    An what do we want to be? How do we want our nation to be, do we want a nation, or do we as some do, want to be part of a mongrel community constantly enriching our bloodstock? [cringe]

  6. Ryan May 24, 2016 at 9:29 am #

    Sinn Fein confuses me when it comes to the EU. They want an Independent, Free, United Ireland but yet they support the EU…..that’s just a contradiction. You cant be Independent and Free in the EU. Are Sinn Fein playing politics? Most likely. Maybe because most of the Irish people, according to polls, support membership of the EU. Maybe that’s why SF support the EU, for now anyway. But the reality is most Irish people that support the EU don’t even know what being in the EU means.

    If the UK leaves the EU, would that make Irish Unity more likely? definitely, that’s one of the main reasons why I support Brexit. As economist David McWilliams said: Unionists are taking a big gamble supporting a UK withdrawal from the EU. But there again Unionists aren’t exactly the brightest. The Sunningdale Agreement gave crumbs to Nationalists and next to nothing in terms of a United Ireland and Unionists alone sunk that agreement despite Nationalists supporting it (SF didn’t have elected representatives then) but today Unionists have been forced to stick with the Good Friday Agreement which gave far more in terms of pursuing Irish Unity.

    One of the main points of support for Brexit amongst the British population is the fact they would regain control of their borders. But that’s not totally true. Migrants from the EU who want to get into the UK could simply go to the Republic, cross into NI, and then go on to Britain. Would British soldiers patrol the border here? No, that would harm the peace process here, harm the economy and the dissidents would just target the soldiers. 99% of the population along the border is Catholic/Republican. That’s like British soldiers patrolling the Falls Road 24/7, not a good idea lol At the moment there’s a strong likelihood that people from NI would need to show their passports when crossing into Britain if Brexit. But in the long run your going to see even closer integration between North and South here if Brexit occurs. My own personal opinion is that Westminster is going to say “Enough is Enough” and want out of NI. They simply cant control their borders with NI in the Union.

    The best outcome, in my opinion, for Republicans in the North is for Brexit but for NI, Wales and especially Scotland to vote to stay in the EU. That would unravel the Union itself, never mind just creating a United Ireland.

    • jessica May 24, 2016 at 2:15 pm #

      “One of the main points of support for Brexit amongst the British population is the fact they would regain control of their borders. But that’s not totally true. Migrants from the EU who want to get into the UK could simply go to the Republic, cross into NI, and then go on to Britain. ”

      We cannot stop free movement, but they could stop migrants abusing the better work environment, better welfare support, better healthcare and tighten the costs which no matter what anyone says are killing public services, especially in the more vulnerable areas such as the north here.

      It wouldn’t be hard to put the tighter border controls east west and more likely that is what will happen.

      “My own personal opinion is that Westminster is going to say “Enough is Enough” and want out of NI”

      Westminster past that point long ago Ryan, there are bigger fish making such decisions than those in westminster can control.

      England is a military state as harold wilson found out during clockwork orange when the army overthrew the government for stepping on their toes over his response to the dublin monaghan bombings.

      “The best outcome, in my opinion, for Republicans in the North is for Brexit but for NI, Wales and especially Scotland to vote to stay in the EU. That would unravel the Union itself, never mind just creating a United Ireland.”

      I have no idea but am enjoying the discussions. Lets hope discussion will be the real winner and proper discussion on unity will be the outcome regardless of what they choose to do.

      It is good to talk.

    • Wolfe tone May 24, 2016 at 3:07 pm #

      Ryan as an ‘all ireland’ party the shinners are snookered. They have to adopt the same policies as their southern counterparts to ingratiate the party to the southern electorate, and that means being pro EU. Alas they are just being populist yet again but to be fair all the parties play that game. In saying that I don’t think the free state electorate or its establishment would be as fond of the EU if they were forced to bring their cooperation tax in to line with other EU member countries. They’d be outta there quicker than you can say banana Republic of Ireland.

  7. Mirrorballman May 24, 2016 at 9:33 am #

    Isn’t Donal a member of SF? How can he reconcile his membership of a party whose policy he is so against?

    “Given the complicated history between Britain and Ireland, it is understandable that some Irish people fear a Brexit and the perceived impact that could have on relations. But realistically, both nations have successfully forged far more historic, monumental and seismic agreements this past 30 odd years than the European Union ever has”

    Can we have a example of one of those “historic, monumental and seismic agreements”?

    No mention of the consequences of Brexit for those living in the border counties who WILL have to deal with a customs border where previously there was none. Anyone who believes that our border will be the only one in the EU without customs controls is deluded or a liar.

    Donal fails to understand the modern world. If he believes that little Ireland with its own currency (ludicrous idea) would be in a better position outside the largest trading bloc on Earth he is mistaken.

    • jessica May 24, 2016 at 1:35 pm #

      “Donal fails to understand the modern world. If he believes that little Ireland with its own currency (ludicrous idea) would be in a better position outside the largest trading bloc on Earth he is mistaken.”

      Well, that’s why we should be discussing such things is it not?

      Do you think there is no possibility that this “largest trading bloc on Earth” might collapse over the growing dissatisfaction over migration?

      Should we bury our heads in the sand and not consider the rise of the far right and the consequences of an instable EU.

      Both previous world wars were not a million miles away from where the EU is heading.

      Personally, I don’t like where it is heading one bit and there is more to life than money.

    • jessica May 24, 2016 at 1:46 pm #

      “No mention of the consequences of Brexit for those living in the border counties who WILL have to deal with a customs border where previously there was none. Anyone who believes that our border will be the only one in the EU without customs controls is deluded or a liar.”

      Remaining within the EU is not the only way to deal with the border issue, in fact it is the worst possible way.
      Swapping one tyrant for another potentially much greater one.

      Or are you saying it is ok for the Irish citizens in the north to paddle their own canoe, so long as the border doesn’t become an inconvenience post brexit?

      Perhaps if those living in the border counties who WILL have to deal with any customs border it would encourage them to speak up and let Dublin know they are not happy with the current indifference towards removal of said border and to get their finger out.