‘Ringland and the Hunger Strike’ by Joe McVeigh

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A letter appeared  in a Belfast morning newspaper(Aug 29) from a regular writer to that paper, Trevor Ringland. As a unionist he is pro-monarchy and anti-republican. He clearly does not like republicans or republicanism. He describes republicanism as a ‘flawed ideology.’ Mr Ringland began the letter by stating “I probably won’t watch 66 Days…” Such a negative approach was intended as an insult. He goes on in his  letter to condemn the hunger-strikers for ‘taking their own lives for a political cause’.  And he condemned the rest of us who supported them.

The use of hungerstrike as a weapon to obtain justice has a long history in Ireland and indeed in other countries like India where it was used by Mahatma Gandhi. InIreland it was used as a means of protesting against injustice in Celtic times and was known as troscadh (fasting on or against a person) and cealachan (achieving justice by starvation).

If you ever want to understand the difference in the psyche between the Irish and the English you have only to look at the disrespectful way Thatcher treated Cardinal Tomás Ó Fiaich, the leading Churchman in Ireland before and during the 1980 and 1981 hunger-strikes. You might also look at the different attitudes of Cardinal Hume and Cardinal Ó Fiaich to the hungerstrike to get an understanding of the different psyches of the British and Irish.

The idea of fasting for a cause until death is deep in the Irish psyche. One of the most famous people to die on hungerstrile was the Mayor of Cork, Terence MacSwiney who died in Brixtion jail in London after 73 days fasting. Others had died on hungerstrike in the south in 1940 and 1946 and then in English jails in the 1970s. In 1974, Michael Gaughan died on hungerstrike and then in 1976 Frank Stagg died on hungerstrike. They were both Irish republicans and both from County Mayo.

It had been used in Long Kesh in June 1972 by a number of senior republicans, led by Billy McKee, to achieve political status which was granted then and continued until it was phased out in 1976.

In 1976 the British Labour government introduced a new policy of criminalisation. From then onwards prisoners sentenced would be required to wear prison uniform and conform to new prison rules. When the prisoners refused to conform to this new regime they went on a protest of wrapping themselves in a blanket and then refusing to be forcibly taken to the toilets.

In August 1978, Cardinal Tomás O’Fiaich, the leader of the Irish Catholic church since 1977, visited the H Blocks in Long Kesh prison to see the situation for himself. Afterwards, he made a strong statement: “I was shocked by the inhuman conditions prevailing in H Blocks 3, 4, and 5, where over 300 prisoners are incarcerated. One would hardly allow an animal to remain in such conditions, let alone a human being…The stench and filth in some of the cells, with the remains of rotten food and human excreta around the walls, was almost unbearable. In two of them I was unable to speak for fear of vomiting…The nearest approach to it that I have seen was the spectacle of hundreds of homeless people living in sewer pipes in the slums of Calcutta….From talking to them it is evident that they intend to continue their protest indefinitely and it seems they prefer to face death rather than submit to being classed as criminals. Anyone with the least knowledge of Irish history knows how deeply rooted this attitude is in our country’s past.”

The British condemned the Cardinal’s remarks. The Cardinal was ridiculed in the British press where it was often noted that he came from Crossmaglen in South Armagh, regarded by the British media as ‘Bandit Country’. Cardinal Ó Fiaich abhorred the use of violence for political purposes. The refusal by Prime Minister Thatcher and the British government to respond to the Cardinal’s appeal for justice and mercy led to the first hunger-strike in 1980. When it ended with the promise from the British to introduce reforms a second hunger strike began which was led by Bobby Sands. In his Diary, he outlined the reasons why they resorted to the second hunger strike. They hoped that the British would be forced to change their attitude as a result of world opinion. We know now that the Iron lady was not for changing. The prisoners were acting in solidarity and in the context of republican history. Mr Ringland would not understand  that. I think Mr Ringland should go to see 66 Days. He might learn something and he might learn to be a little more respectful of others who differ from him politically.

 

 

 

33 Responses to ‘Ringland and the Hunger Strike’ by Joe McVeigh

  1. Sammy McNally September 19, 2016 at 9:51 am #

    Joe,

    I don’t agree with Trevor Ringland – but I respect the views of Unionists to view the IRA campaign and hunger strikes differently to me.

    A difficult (philosophical) question for us on this side of the fence is – can we accept the widespread Unionist position that the IRA campaign was simply a terrorist murder campaign as a legitimate political viewpoint?

    Personally I think I can accept that – and therefore don’t have a problem with accepting Trevor’s position of not wanting to go the see film – that is not necessarily an insult – that just reflects the difference between Unionist and Nationalist(Republican) world views.

    • giordanobruno September 19, 2016 at 12:24 pm #

      Sammy
      What you say makes sense.

      It is a frustrating habit here (and elsewhere no doubt) for contributors not to bother placing basic links to the relevant articles (unless they concur with them).
      This means we are getting a paraphrased version at best.
      The letter appears to be from the Newsletter on August 25th if anyone is interested.

      http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/trevor-ringland-i-won-t-watch-66-days-the-hunger-strikes-led-to-more-death-and-destruction-1-7544338

      It does not seem very insulting to republicanism in my view.
      Ringland actually says “flawed ideologies”, plural “led to unnecessary conflict” so that suggests not just republicanism was being referred to.
      Also he tells us he watched a previous film on Bobby Sands, so it would appear he has no particular objection to watching such programmes, despite what Jim McVeigh suggests.

      • Jude Collins September 19, 2016 at 2:38 pm #

        I’ve just read the link you provided (for which thanks and yes, I take your point about providing a link – something I’ve frequently failed to do.) The emphasis of Trevor Ringland’s piece is that there were other, less trumpeted deaths during the Troubles and that the hunger strikers chose to die, unlike many others during the Troubles. This was the headline of a pamphlet at the time ‘Their victims had no choice – Let Them Die’. I’m disappointed to see Trevor repeat in other words a misleading equation. I’m even more disappointed by his implication that the whole violence thing was due to the actions of Violent Men – not a word about the circumstances that gave rise to the violence in the first place, not a word about what drove the hunger-strikers to sacrifice their lives. I know Trevor and he is a soft-spoken, courteous man. That’s what makes it all the more depressing.

        • giordanobruno September 19, 2016 at 4:36 pm #

          Jude
          He did talk about other victims that is true, but the tone of the article was regret at the deaths of both victims of the troubles and the hunger strikers.
          The ‘let them die’ quote was not used, neither did it seem to be his meaning.
          If anything he seemed to be pointing the finger at the leaders who allowed those men to die.
          I have no doubt you would disagree with that point of view but it is a perfectly valid argument and I don’t see how it is insulting to republicanism,as Joe McVeigh claims, unless you take the view that any criticism of republicanism is an insult.
          And not to labour the point about links, but not only did Joe not provide one,he also could not bring himself to name the newspaper and he got the date wrong.
          It’s almost as if he didn’t want us to read the original article, Surely not!

          • Argenta September 19, 2016 at 8:32 pm #

            Gio
            Such cynicism but not altogether misplaced on the evidence!!Surely Fr Joe is not reduced to reading the Newsletter in his quest for the perfect daily paper which properly reflects his view of the world!

        • Robert September 19, 2016 at 5:05 pm #

          Not a word about the circumstances that gave rise to the violence in the first place, not a word about what drove the hunger-strikers to sacrifice their lives.

          Once again you are trying to find justification in what the IRA did. If we use your logic it was perfectly acceptable to target Republicans and their families because Republicans were trying to destroy the state of Northern Ireland. Just imagine you or members of your family might have been seen as acceptable targets…if we use your reasoning.

  2. Robert September 19, 2016 at 11:44 am #

    He might learn something and he might learn to be a little more respectful of others who differ from him politically.

    Yet you have spent most of your article abusing ringland thatcher and the british have you no self awareness?

  3. Freddiemallins September 19, 2016 at 12:58 pm #

    The problem for unionism is, as I see it, that common criminals do not ever give up their lives for their beliefs. They are common criminals and have a necessarily selfish agenda. Surely that is the complete opposite to the hunger strikers, whether you agree or disagree with their ultimate aims.

  4. ben madigan September 19, 2016 at 1:23 pm #

    “can we accept the widespread Unionist position that the IRA campaign was simply a terrorist murder campaign as a legitimate political viewpoint?”

    The Loyalist sectarian murder campaign was fuelled by hatred of catholics/others
    The Republican campaign was fuelled by a political ideal
    The British opposition to the Republican insurgency was fuelled by a desire to “have and hold”

    Refusing to acknowledge different motivations does not further reconciliation etc

  5. Malachi O'Doherty September 19, 2016 at 1:47 pm #

    Who determines what an authentic Irish psyche is?
    Or that an Irishman like Trevor Ringland is lacking in one?
    Arte we down now to set race tests to validate political arguments?

    • ceannaire September 19, 2016 at 5:50 pm #

      Race tests, Malachi? What race?

      Different nationalities do have different outlooks – usually as a result of their environment/history etc.

      But race? Do tell more.

      • Malachi O'Doherty September 20, 2016 at 4:07 pm #

        Of course different groups of people have different attitudes. My problem with Joe’s nonsense is that he presumes to have the authority to define the authentic Irish psyche and to claim some Irish people don’t have it. You’re surely not defending that?

  6. fiosrach September 19, 2016 at 3:07 pm #

    Being born in Ireland,Malachi, doesn’t make you a horse.

  7. MT September 19, 2016 at 5:48 pm #

    Another apologia for terrorism by a supposed Christian. Shameful.

    “The use of hungerstrike as a weapon to obtain justice has a long history in Ireland and indeed in other countries”.

    In this case, however, they were using hunger strike as a weapon to advance injustice.

  8. MT September 19, 2016 at 5:50 pm #

    “I think Mr Ringland should go to see 66 Days. He might learn something and he might learn to be a little more respectful of others who differ from him politically. ”

    As a civilised country we should never show respect for those who used murder and other horrific crimes to try to enforce their will on others. We should treat them with contempt.

    • Gearoid September 19, 2016 at 8:32 pm #

      Such examples would be the terrorist atrocities of the glennane gang, shankill butchers et al? Wouldn’t you agree MT?

      • MT September 20, 2016 at 5:10 pm #

        “Such examples would be the terrorist atrocities of the glennane gang, shankill butchers et al? Wouldn’t you agree MT?:

        Obviously.

    • Brian D'Arcy September 19, 2016 at 9:03 pm #

      But yet the British army us still respected. These men took in the British state because they were like second class citizens, if that well

      • MT September 20, 2016 at 5:08 pm #

        “But yet the British army us still respected.”

        Anyone in the Army who took part in murder or terror or who sought to legitimise terror should not be respected.

        “Those men took in the British state because they were like second class citizens, if that well.”

        Purporting to be a second-class citizen’ does not justify murder and other appalling crimes.

    • Pointis September 19, 2016 at 11:36 pm #

      “As a civilised country we should never show respect for those who used murder and other horrific crimes to try to enforce their will on others”

      What is your point MT?

      That is what the hunger strikers were sacrificing their lives for. They unselfishly gave over their lives to oppose a state which bullied, terrorised and murdered the Irish people to enforce their will on them!

      • MT September 20, 2016 at 5:05 pm #

        “What is your point MT?”

        My point is what I said (and which you quoted); we shouldn’t show respect to.murderers and criminals such as the hunger strikers. We should disrespect them, especially for the perversity of their self-regarding act in trying to.portray themselves as victims rather than perpetrators, and seeking to win support for their brutal terror campaign.

        “That is what the hunger strikers were sacrificing their lives for. They unselfishly gave over their lives to oppose a state which bullied, terrorised and murdered the Irish people to enforce their will on them!”

        They were all involved in a monstrous terror campaign and sought to legitimise it.

  9. fiosrach September 19, 2016 at 7:53 pm #

    We do! That’s why we got the RUC, B Specials and UDR disbanded and the unionist government prorogued. Did you miss that,MT? The colonial authorities were forced by world opinion to try and civilize this “country”.

    • MT September 20, 2016 at 5:11 pm #

      “We do! That’s why we got the RUC, B Specials and UDR disbanded and the unionist government prorogued. Did you miss that,MT? The colonial authorities were forced by world opinion to try and civilize this “country”.”

      We do what?

  10. Brian D'Arcy September 19, 2016 at 9:02 pm #

    Hunger strike was also used in Frongoch internment camp due to the horrendous conditions in the camp. A doctor committed suicide over being made to force feed hinder strikers and the lack of medication. Very rarely is it a different reason and those men and women didn’t choose to become soldiers, they were forced by an Orange state and then by the British militaries actions. They were most certainly political prisoners

  11. Mark September 19, 2016 at 9:03 pm #

    I have previously disagreed with Trevor, or, rather, he with my viewpoint, so, it would be no surprise for him to know, on this point at least, the unelectable Mr. Ringland and I can agree, it was not the Provisional Government which started the war.

  12. ComradeMagee September 19, 2016 at 9:23 pm #

    “As a civilised country we should never show respect for those who used murder and other horrific crimes to try to enforce their will on others. We should treat them with contempt.”

    What about those who promoted and in essence encouraged the use of violence? Those who established a militia for political gain, in turn setting a precedent that nearly led to a Civil War? Those who supported the illegal importation of weapons to arm this militia? Like, Edward Carson. Should he be treated with contempt?

    • MT September 20, 2016 at 5:07 pm #

      “What about those who promoted and in essence encouraged the use of violence? Those who established a militia for political gain, in turn setting a precedent that nearly led to a Civil War? Those who supported the illegal importation of weapons to arm this militia? Like, Edward Carson. Should he be treated with contempt?”

      No because in that case he, like Redmond with his militia and the subsequent IRA (1919-21) were seeking to protect the democratic will of the people, not overturn it.

      • ComradeMagee September 20, 2016 at 7:27 pm #

        MT, you never fail to amuse – Can you point me to where Carson was seeking to protect the democratic will of the people of Ireland? By raising a militia, threatening to set up a provisional government and importing arms Carson, without a doubt was acting AGAINST the democratic will of the people of Ireland. I will empathise people of Ireland before you go on a rant about the North East.

        • MT September 20, 2016 at 9:26 pm #

          “MT, you never fail to amuse – Can you point me to where Carson was seeking to protect the democratic will of the people of Ireland?”

          No,. And why would I as I never said he was. He was seeking to protect the democratic will of the unionist people.

          “By raising a militia, threatening to set up a provisional government and importing arms Carson, without a doubt was acting AGAINST the democratic will of the people of Ireland.”

          By the same logic, then, nationalists were acting AGAINST the democratic will of the people of the British Isles.

          Not sure where that takes you.

          “I will empathise people of Ireland before you go on a rant about the North East.”

          I’ve no idea what that means.

          • ComradeMagee September 21, 2016 at 9:09 am #

            “No,. And why would I as I never said he was. He was seeking to protect the democratic will of the unionist people.”

            What democratic will?

            “By the same logic, then, nationalists were acting AGAINST the democratic will of the people of the British Isles.”

            How were they?

          • MT September 21, 2016 at 5:42 pm #

            “What democratic will?”

            The democratic will of the unionist people. In already said that.

            “How were they?”

            Because the people of the British Isles didn’t want Irish independence.

  13. ComradeMagee September 21, 2016 at 9:58 pm #

    “The democratic will of the unionist people. In already said that.” I will repeat – what democratic will of the unionist people? Explain! Show me evidence of this “democratic will”.

    “Because the people of the British Isles didn’t want Irish independence.” What are you basing this assertion on? Why are you talking about Irish Independence? The government of the British Isles supported Home Rule for Ireland – a limited form of self government – was Carson acting against the democratic will of the government of the British Isles when he opposed Home Rule and initiated a campaign of threats of violence, paramilitarism,
    Threats of setting up an illegal government and gun running?

    • MT September 22, 2016 at 6:42 am #

      ““The democratic will of the unionist people. In already said that.” I will repeat – what democratic will of the unionist people? Explain! Show me evidence of this “democratic will”.”

      Are you being serious? Every election since about 1885.

      ““Because the people of the British Isles didn’t want Irish independence.” What are you basing this assertion on?”

      The 1918 election.

      “Why are you talking about Irish Independence?”

      Because it’s an analogy that shows how stupid your point about Carson is.

      :The government of the British Isles supported Home Rule for Ireland – a limited form of self government – was Carson acting against the democratic will of the government of the British Isles when he opposed Home Rule and initiated a campaign of threats of violence, paramilitarism,
      Threats of setting up an illegal government and gun running?”

      Yes, of course he was.

      Was De Valera acting against the democratic will of the government of the British Isles when he opposed Home Rule and initiates a campaign of actual violence and paramilitarism and actually set up an illegal government and gun running?

      So your point is …?