Despite valiant efforts to muddy the waters with talk of misogyny and Arlene Foster’s control of the RHI scheme being fault-free, most of us have a firm grip on what the Cash-for-Ashes scheme involved and who it involved. It was set up under DUP MLA Arlene Foster, the less-than-good work was continued by DUP MLA Jonathan Bell, and the public have been landed with a bill which will cost over £1 billion (the bad news), of which between £400million and £600million must be coughed up locally (the good news).
Most of us also know what’s required: a public inquiry which can compel witnesses and documents, which is made up of non-aligned and competent figures, and which is held in public, over a limited period, so we can see who’s squirming and who isn’t. There are claims that Sinn Féin were slow to arrive at this position on the matter – they presumably didn’t want to hold DUP feet any closer to the fire than necessary, given that they are partners in government. However, with Michelle O’Neill’s latest statement, it’s clear they’re in agreement with the need for the investigation to be public and transparent.
Given the outcry by all sides bar the DUP, it’s reasonable to assume that party will have to accept the terms of the inquiry. But the DUP don’t always act in a reasonable way, so it’s possible Arlene will come up with the same not-an-inch to the bitter end – which bitter end will be a general election.
What will the results of that election be? By now, we should have learnt that the outcome of any given election or referendum ain’t done until it’s done. But it does seem safe to suppose that the DUP haven’t won over many new converts with the RHI scandal, and possible that they’ll have lost a few voters they might have expected to stay with them. But the DUP and Sinn Féin will remain the two dominant parties post-election.
And then what? They can’t very well go into government together again, especially if the inquiry finds Arlene Foster guilty in relation to the RHI scheme. But if the post-election (or even pre-election) DUP jettisoned Arlene and replaced her with someone else (I’m almost afraid to think who), that might be seen as enough for Sinn Féin to go back into government with them.
On the other hand, too much permanent damage may have occurred for the two parties to form a joint Executive again. Which would leave only one likely option: direct rule from Westminster.
There are those who shy away from this – closer integration with Britain, less control over our own affairs. That’s probably true; but it’s also true that every time the DUP or other parties make local government impossible, unionism comes back to the table with less to show for its pains. Put bluntly: is it likely that, in the event of direct rule, the southern government will have more input into the governance of our little NE hidey-hole? More than likely. And the nearer Westminster rule comes to being joint rule, the nearer things inch towards an outcome that will happen sooner or later: national reunification.
Once you start a fire there’s no knowing where it’ll end.


Jude
Is this the statement you are referring to?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/video-news/video-sinn-feins-michelle-oneill-dismisses-arlene-fosters-claims-and-reiterates-calls-for-her-to-step-aside-35341964.html.
Because she seems to be still talking about an independent inquiry as opposed to a public inquiry.
Maybe with your contacts in SF you can clarify this for us as it is a fairly crucial difference I think.
Declan Kearney seems unable to make up his mind which it should be.
But if SF are now in favour of a public inquiry as you suggest why on earth did they abstain from the motion calling for one in Belfast City Council?
I wonder would joint rule be a typical Irish style fudge to get around the brexit and border issue?
Would certainly give the EU chiefs a head scratcher. 🙂
“I wonder would joint rule be a typical Irish style fudge to get around the brexit and border issue?”
There’s a reason why many Irish Republicans like myself hoped for the North to vote stay in the EU but for Brexit to happen anyway Jessica. The DUP themselves were secretly hoping that Brexit wouldn’t happen, they even had the speech wrote and prepared for when the UK decided to STAY in the EU….
Brexit has made not only Irish Unity much more likely but the break up of the UK itself, thanks to Scotland’s Pro-EU vote and the rampant rise of Scottish Nationalism.
Ireland wont be staying in the EU Ryan.
Irelands economic future lies with Britiain
The Apple mess has set Ireland on a collision course with the EU which will lead to tough choices.
Joint Authority is also not an option, Ireland cannot afford not to unite and to fulfil our potential.
The economic need will trump all this political bullshit in the coming few years.
“Irelands economic future lies with Britiain”
Jessica, I have family in business/economics and the first thing I learnt about Economics: No one can fully predict the future.
Micheal Martin wouldn’t agree with you on this one. He said Ireland must stop being so dependent on trade with Britain and that Britain will suffer due to the EU vote, which they certainly will. I agree with him. There’s a big, wide World outside of Britain. We need to be more dependent on trade with countries who actually have governments who are friendly to us. Westminster isn’t one of them. They wont even release files on a massacre of Irish civilians in Dublin.
Ireland’s economic future doesn’t lie with Britain, Jessica, it lies with the United States of America.
PS: “The Irish must become more German”. I wasn’t the first person to say that. We should look to deepen our trade and links with Germany.
PPS: a recent poll found over 90% of the Irish public supported EU membership. I don’t think we’ll be leaving anytime soon Jessica….
Polls can only find what the people who took them think Ryan, your poll did not represent over 90% of the Irish public or anywhere even remotely near that figure.
I know very few people who care about being in the EU. Everyone in my own family who did vote remain, did so over the border fears, not because they gave a second thought about EU membership.
What do you think Micheal Martin meant by Ireland must stop being so dependent on trade with Britain?
Should Irish business stop trading the GB or even cut back?
If the EU impose WTO tariffs and Irelands economy suffers greater than any other EU country, will Micheal Martin stand tall and tell those businesses suffering, stop being so dependent on trade with Britain?
I would love to hear him do so, and love even more what he is told in return.
Businesses are in business to make money Ryan. They have no social and often very limited moral compass and we will always go after the easiest money.
Therefore I am 100% confident that our long term future is not as full members of the EU.
Trump has made no secret of his desire to do a trade deal with England. The EU will not stop it in the slightest, in fact the Trans Atlantic Trade deal is now down the toilet and the EU for all their wealth of diplomatic excellence, their economic negotiators that would wipe the floor with any nation, are now faced with dealing with people they will never understand, Donald Trump and Boris Johnston, Who will not see beyond having their cake and eating it and will confuscate, infuriate and discombobulate those poor souls who are so comfortable in the Brussels way of doing things.
I am all for greater trade with the US, in fact it is no surprise that Sinn Fein spend so much time there, both as part of the north and south governments and keeping them posted on developments here.
In fact, the best thing about Stormont has been its funding of such trips which all this island will benefit from.
Irelands economic future will always lie with Britain Ryan, like it or lump it, they are our closest neighbour and we have more in common with them than any other nation on earth.
Name me one economist who would claim otherwise?
And as for releasing files on the massacre of Irish civilians in Dublin, I take it you mean the Dublin Monaghan bombings.
Robin Jackson was arrested following that attack armed with a gun. Harold Wilson offered him and the people responsible for the attacks on a plate to the Fine Gael government who refused to question them and all forensic evidence was destroyed and even what was stored later lost.
Ireland has plenty of people in England who think more of us than many in the southern establishment do.
You need to open your eyes Ryan.
What makes more sense to you?
Interesting piece in the Irish Times yesterday from Newton Emerson
http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/newton-emerson-cash-for-ash-reveals-fragility-of-north-s-existence-1.2925438
Which is perhaps the first time I’ve seen a Unionist commentator come out and state explicitly that the clock may indeed be ticking on this sorry little statelet. I think he’s correct with what he says about demographic changes as well, although the timing of this RHI business seems apposite. ‘Catholics’ outnumber ‘Protestants’ as of Christmas, a majority here voted to against Brexit and now we see the almighty DUP coming apart at the seams.
Depressingly, I don’t see that an election would make a huge difference to the state of play. DUP voters aren’t exactly known for their nuance, and short of the odd vote going the way of the UUP an election might not change much. Foster’s arrogance would take any election victory as vindication for her incompetence and dishonesty.
The Brexit result may jolt FG/FF etc into caring a little more about what goes on up here, and as Westminster retreats into Little Englandism perhaps joint sovereignty is the way forward. One suspects that Westminster would love to be shot of this place in the morning, and who could blame them. A century of disaster – those NI 2021 celebrations are sure going to be something, eh?
here are a few hypotheses on what might be underpinning SF’s game plan.
https://eurofree3.wordpress.com/2017/01/04/whats-sinn-feins-game-plan-at-stormont/
A public inquiry or an investigation held in public…?
Similar words, a world apart.
SF are hoping most people don’t notice.
on the button cal..judes been spinning this line this last few days.
In this current coldish snap, Esteemed Blogmeister, the Loot for Soot story continues to warmly shake the cockles of our snake-regarding hearts down here in the Free Southern Stateen.
This morning it was the turn of Jeffrey Donaldson, sir, to turn the breakfast tables on his bland, spineless interviewer on Newstalk fm. Normally, this DOBland wireless station makes a Tough Guy morning meal of the Quaking Shinners, that sorta thingy .
But not this morning, no siree.
As Jeff snapped , crackled and took a pop at the Newstalk unfortunate for having the Dub-based nerve to usurp what is his own Nordie prerogative. Making the point in the process that what the essential nub of this hubbub was: Rehash the Bash.
As he then proceeded to – (yawn, stretch, trouser cough ) – plant his corporeal UDR parade ground boot into Sinn Féin/ IRA. Plantation once Again.
The Tax-Exiled owner of this DOBland monochrome media Empah must have been mightily impressed by this free run given by his wimpering employee. Even as he came off second best in the one-sided verbal slug-fest with his Arm-wrestling Guest from the Most Oppressed Prods Ever (MOPE).
-Give that mouse of mine a rise ! Pronto.
DEFEND the OVERSPEND
This Loot for Soot is the ab-solute hoot
See Arl the Snarl autoshoot in the foot
Dividend DUP members
Defend those d. embers
Of Jeff charcoal-own- goal makes a Mutt.
“Loot for soot” fantastic!
Yes , the Mighty Perk has scored again.Wish I’d thought of that one!”Loot for Soot”…shout it loud and proud Perky!
Kieran and Protean PK,
In response to your ok
Smoke Signals
Tonto say; kemo sabe.
“Once you start a fire there’s no knowing where it’ll end.”
This made me think of the Billy Joel song – The DUP could replace “Arlene’s on Fire” with “We didn’t start the fire” – The lyrics of the current DUP defence:
“We didn’t start the fire
It was always burning
Since the worlds been turning
We didn’t start the fire
No we didn’t light it
But we tried to fight it.”
Hope you all enjoy this – we didn’t start the riot
I am making my own position absolutely clear on the prospect of another election .I’ll not be voting in it to redeem this shambles.I want something better than this nonsense.I certainly do not want any kind of government that enables the social criminality at the heart of the DUP any more play. They have proved to me to be incapable in every way either morally , culturally or socially to perform the tasks required of modern politicians in a largely secular world. I see no itellectual giants but rather trick-ponies with an agenda of standing still while milking the public or at best mismanaging their hard -earned money.
I want the entire edifice scrapped and all wages paid out to ministers , SPADS and the squads of paper-pushers ,stopped. Currently …and possibly for a number of unspecified years ,I would prefer that Westminster and Dublin ruled us all together ,rather than allow unreconstructed dinosaurs like those running the DUP any more say in my future. it would be far better if they were steamrolled into the dust.They have held back modernity at every turn .They are seemingly unaware of what their job actually entails and can only exist in this present state as an unworkable coaltion.
If the coalition is unworkable …as they have successfully made it to be…then what is the point of it at all? I cannot see any point to it in any logical sense so I ask myself , how much worse can it be if the same laws that run the UK and the Republic of Ireland are introduced as of right for everyone with the input of a party like the DUP.If they are removed from the equation for a generation that might clear the air .
your right about not voting whats to vote for,more of the same.i dont know about dublin having a say though when their going to be on the opposing side when brexit arrives in a couple of months time.two states pulling in opposite directions over hard borders and all the rest of the trouble the german empire has brought us would be as bad as what we have now.
I’d say we are heading for elections. Both the DUP and SF have back themselves into a corner and it’s hard to see where there will be a compromise.
SF’s problem though is if, as many people seem to think, elections leave the parties in a relatively same position as now then what?
DUP will take it as an effective acquittal and there will be zero chance of either a resignation by Arlene Foster or a proper public inquiry.
SF will then be between a rock and a hard place. If they go back into government then they will be ridiculed and seem a walk over by there electorate. If they refuse to go into government they will be accused of not respecting the democratic mandate of the election, collapsing the institutions and bringing back direct rule.
Well Scott, why would Sinn Fein want to go into a coalition governmance with the dUP when the DUP have proven that they do not understand what a coalition actuallly is.Neither can govern without the other but the DUP appear to feel that they have some kind of unilateral power.They simply do not get it .They obviously do not get the Agreement either because they have refused to work that either , so why should they be given any more chances? I think that Sinn Fein have given it a fair shake but it ‘s like handing enough rope to the hangman in this case.They’ have actually given Arlene an out which would have saved face for her but she didn’t even recognise that. t\here is a basic paranoia there which is manifesting itself in mentions of bullying and misogny .That same paranoia has blinded her to the fact that she was being given a n option that would have saved her skin and simply does not want to believe it or see it at all.
That might be Sinn Fein playing this fiasco out to its logical conclusion , of course. They will be seen as giveing it all their best shot but it simply didn’t work .They might walk away for a time which also pulls the rug from under the DUP and leaves them powerless. Sinn Fein still have their ongoing southern part of the project, after all …why would they want to work with the DUP when the DUP simply cannot do the work needed.Iy seems somewhat pointless in that respect. i really cannot see much point in the DUP in a coalition now if they don’t understand what that meansThey do not understand what a Joint Ministry means either..
I’m not saying SF should go back into government with the DUP if we get a status quo election PK. What I’m saying is if the ballot box returns the same parties then SF are in a no win situation.
Abandoning Stormont is damaging to SF. If we end up in direct rule which I believe will be Westminster rule rather than Dublin rule due to the complexities of Brexit and how two sovereign countries administer a region. I can’t think of any other example where this works in the world.
If direct rule happens SF will share the blame for abandoning there electorate to “English” rule with the DUP. I’d imagine Nationalists wouldn’t be happy with this.
Along with this what happens to the SF party machine in the north minus Stormont? MLA’s, Advisors and party workers are also out of the job if this happens along with the loss of income to the party coffers due to losing there industrial wages. At least I think they still pay part of there wages to the party, maybe they’ve changed that policy I’m not quite sure.
It’s a no win situation PK. The only thing that will change things will be a upheaval through the ballot box. Abstaining won’t do that.
If the ballot box returns the same parties which it most likely would, then nothing has changed.
Stormont will still not come up again no matter what the outcome until Arlene steps aside.
Sinn Fein will not be blamed for standing firm, they will be blamed and shamed if they don’t.
This is the perfect situation. Shit or bust. The DUP have done wrong and wont back down so we are now inching towards all going all in.
(I give up on) reconciliation and (I oppose) unionism.
Jessica – I have amended your last sentence. You can’t say things like that – not on this site anyway.
Now now Jessica language please. Children might be reading this.
That would be sadder than anything going on at Stormont Scott 🙂
Sorry Jude, that’s what I meant to say 🙂
@ Scott who said “how two sovereign countries administer a region. I can’t think of any other example where this works in the world”.
here you go Scott with one century-long example in the heart of Europe and a link to others
https://eurofree3.wordpress.com/2015/08/28/joint-authoritysovreignty-in-ni-faq/
Admittedly the brexit issue could complicate matters – but where’s there’s a will, there’s a way!!
An excellent post there , ben…with lots of stuff to chew over. It makes some perfect sense to me and surely couldn’t cost as much as current being spent on foolishness.everyon egets their choice too.What’s to lose?
Stormont falling could be a good thing Harry.
Just think, we can turn it into a museum and perhaps the fees will help pay for the cash for ash losses.
Arlene could be given 20 years community service running it until the money is paid back in full. Better than a prison sentence which could well be the outcome if johnny bells accusations stack up
The southern part of the project is the only important part anyway, we all know the north is fucked up by unionism, it always was.
SF’s reticence and flaffing about will come back to bite them if they are not too careful. Making excuses about ‘bigger picture’ and ‘southern projects’ etc won’t wash with the public. The stormont regime resembles corruption to most people so trying to maintain it will damage integrity. An election is normally the result but let’s not forget, SF whether they care to admit or not didn’t have as great an election as they’d hoped last time. So perhaps their reticence is to be expected. One things for certain, the arrogance of arlene at threats of elections etc suggests she’s hell and easy about stormont rather than SF. Snookered.
I don’t think Sinn Fein should worry about an election at all.
Just keep doing what they are doing and let whatever happens happen.
It is the DUP that is causing the problems, so long as that remains the case, it is what it is
Let’s say it all comes down to an election and we all go through that awful grind with me abstaining this time (!)along with many others from all sorts of camps. Then what? We are in the very same position give or take where there’s a coalition with one partner which doesn’t know what a coalition means or how it actually works .There’s that stupid Speaker to take down too. He doesn’t know what impartiality means. There ‘s the ridiculous “Petition” to get rid of and the whole idea that unelected SPADS are being paid to run the place from behind the scenes.There’s still Arlene’s stupidity or criminality to deal with of course . If she’s voted back in by her followers , nothing has changed because everyone else knows she’s wasting everyone’s time with her nonsense.
Back at square zero ,we will still have the long list of scandals stacked up and awaiting answers as well as a few more, probably, given that the DUP can’t keep their fingers out of the till. Arlene, or some other idiot will still think they are the “PM of Norneverland” when they are patently not and so the same old time-wasting useless circus will proceed. We’re only a year since Peter Robinson’s “Hokey Cokey” in /out vaudeville stunt and there’s money pouring out of the till.Why should we bother and exactly what will it gain anyone? Sure…it’s kept me in humour and craic but I do resent paying such a high price for my comedy when some of the acts are patently useless if not overtly criminal.
I think there will be a hell of a lot abstaining. I couldn’t bring myself to vote for it last time out, I think there will be many, many more people in the same boat this time which is why I don’t think there will be an election or that one is warranted.
The only important thing to me, is that an inquiry is established, has the teeth to get to the truth and reports on whether or not there should be criminal charges brought within 2 or at the very most 3 months.
We know Stormont is corrupt and unworkable, many of us suspect that the very Justice system is also corrupt.
This is the perfect opportunity to put it to the test.
As Arlene is at the centre of the investigation, there is absolutely no question of her not standing down.
The institutions should be put on hold, not brought down but left in suspended animation until she leaves but the investigation must be free to continue its work.
That is more important than saving Stormont or calling elections to escape the law.
Votes do not equate to a criminal amnesty. An election should not save DUPers from jail if they have done wrong.
If the truth is the most important thing Jessica then why are SF not calling for a full PUBLIC enquiry under the enquiries act?
It’s the only mechanism to ensure a unbiased/fudged investigation.
SF only suggest a public independent inquiry which is very different and open to abuse and cover up.
Basically SF are giving the DUP a escape door on a condition of Arlene Foster stepping aside temporarily. The DUP are either to stupid or stubborn to see this or they fancy there chances in an election better.
If a public enquiry (what is the correct way to spell this by the way, i or e?) is the only way to get to the truth then that is what must happen.
Can an enquiry be based on the enquiries/inquiries act without being a public enquiry?
I suppose the answer to that answers the question as to one is needed or not.
A judicial led independent inquiry based on the enquiries/inquiries act would satisfy most people apart from those seeking to make political capital complaining about it not being a public enquiry who lets face it, don’t really matter anyway.
My only issue with a public enquiry is it would not be able to report soon enough for my liking. If it can, then that is definitely what is needed.
The most important thing for me is we know if criminality has taken place within a short timeframe.
I don’t give a monkeys about anything else, but I doubt the DUP will get the election they crave. I think the DUP see that as their best option to escape the law.
An election should not save her skin if she has done wrong.
If Arlene wont step aside while the investigation runs its course, then Stormont must be closed until the investigation is completed and reports. Who knows, perhaps it will be the PSNI who will remove her from office.
Well that’s it exactly Scott. Arlene was actually given an exit door by Sinn Fein and she was either too dumb or too bitter to accept the gift .Either way she dropped everyone into this invidious position which was never going to be a smart political move . The problem remains whether or not Arlene is in position and we still want the money back or at least a punishment for being unable to do her job properly.( Think of a local business and the CEO loses £480 million through incompetence or chicanery )
Sinn Fein either were giving her enough rope to finally hang herself or they actually wanted the show to go on for their own political reasons. They either think that it could be somehow workable or they know that essentially the DUP’s heart was never in it from day one and they had to somehow prove that point. Meanwhile , were the DUP feathering their nests while the gold rushes were on.
I think these past few weeks of Arlene’s antics have proven Sinn Fein’s point either way On one hand the DUP were unable to take a little sage advice from their coalition partners without whom they cannot operate anyway.On the other hand the DuP have also been unable to work in a cross-community way at all.
“If a public enquiry (what is the correct way to spell this by the way, i or e?) is the only way to get to the truth then that is what must happen.” I feel anything less than a Public Inquiry only serves to suit the DUP – £490m potential scandal deserves the most rigorous Inquiry available. If the DUP want an Investigstion, then it must be an Inquiry – as stated previously, the DUP dictating how their failures are examined and scrutinised is surreal – if they’ve nothing to hide, they should support a Public Inquiry in the interests of restoring public confidence (as they fail to see the ramifications of same). Why do the DUP fear a Public Inquiry? The DUP have to face the highest thereshold of accountability and scrutiny.
“A judicial led independent inquiry based on the enquiries/inquiries act would satisfy most people apart from those seeking to make political capital complaining about it not being a public enquiry who lets face it, don’t really matter anyway.” It does matter – the power to compel witnesses and papers on a public platform is paramount to the outcome of this alleged scandal. I can only assume the DUP would be calling for a Public Inquiry if it were SF involved in a scandal – play them at their own ruthlessness.
“My only issue with a public enquiry is it would not be able to report soon enough for my liking.” A Public Inquiry needs to be time bound – but also it must be given the necessary time to ensure all evidence is robustly scrutinised.
“An election should not save her skin if she has done wrong.” Totally agree. Same person wanted Mairtin O’Muilleoir to step aside over NAMA coaching, yet no shred of evidence was ever produced implicating him into involvement. If an election was to take place before outcome of investigation / Inquiry it would be a travesty – public need to hear truth before any ballot is cast.
“If Arlene wont step aside while the investigation runs its course, then Stormont must be closed until the investigation is completed and reports.” Totally agree.
“Why do the DUP fear a Public Inquiry? The DUP have to face the highest thereshold of accountability and scrutiny.”
Absolutely they must at all costs.
Why do they want it private, my guess would be that they have tipped off loyalist paramilitaries to get them a few pounds off the london exchequer and rogues being rogues (ironic isn’t it?) spread the word rather than play it smart and caused a steep spike in applications that shocked the DUP.
Arlene is unlikely to have been the ring leader, my guess is it will lead back to old Peter and his debt to mr Little and Arlene was simply obeying orders from her chief which is why she is getting so much support from the leadership in the party who know the truth.
Regardless, she is now an accessory and must step aside to allow proper investigation.
That is the right thing to do.
Any enquiry must be able to compel witnesses, documents, data and should also be able to report all businesses with connections to loyalist paramilitaries, especially those with links to the DUP.
If Sinn Fein make sure this information is thoroughly investigated and reported to the public, I promise to vote for them even in Stormont afterwards.
If they don’t, I will continue to abstain from Stormont elections.
In the mean time, the longer it runs, the more pressure the DUP will come under.
It will split the party in two.
The Paisleys were dumped on by Peter Robinson, will they take the opportunity to extract their revenge?
You might find this interesting TH
http://www.fieldfisher.com/publications/2008/12/a-practical-guide-to-commissioning-and-conducting-investigations-and-inquiries#sthash.OJKZOLhT.dpbs
Any inquiry based on the inquiries act 2005 will have more than ample teeth.
Arlene has said Peter was the one setup the scheme
We know Peter was under pressure for favours for avoiding prison such as Ms Pengelly replacing Ruth Patterson, perhaps he was also being pressured for some financial rewards before stepping aside?
Arlene was hands on in helping some business get financial support to make money out of this scheme. If there is a connection to the DUP and the timing matches, I would not agree that they have done nothing wrong. All applicants need to be investigated, especially if there is paramilitary connections.
Any inquiry must be able to compel all businesses, ex ministers and to access server data held by names co.
6 weeks would be a nice timeframe to allow the DUP to fall apart. I will enjoy watching it happen
Thanks, Jessica.
Foster has blamed everybody and anybody for the failings of this scheme. It’s so frustrating, her inability to recognise that this all happened under her watch as Minister – Even if she was unaware of the flaws of the scheme that still illustrates incompetence of the highest Order.
“Any inquiry must be able to compel all businesses, ex ministers and to access server data held by names co.” Totally agree – and that’s why a Public Inquiry is the only option due to its powers to compel the above. I see SF have said that tomorrow morning it will publish its proposed Terms of Reference for independent panel investigation of the non-domestic RHI.
Sorry Jessica my fault its inquiry not enquiry.
The public inquiry is the only mechanism that has teeth. SF suggestion of anything else is a fudge of a inquiry.
They do take tend to take a bit of time due to logistics and attempts to be thorough but if it’s the real truth you want it’s the only option.
Out of curiosity Jessica and Harry.
If there was a massive backlash from the electorate and the UUP replaced the DUP as the coalition partners would you see this as a positive?
I’m trying to gauge Nationalists feels on the UUP.
Well realistically Scott….how could anyone handle the situation any worse than the DUP?
I think the DUP being the strongest unionist party isn’t doing remaining in the UK any favours. I believe the conservatives would prefer the UUP and probably Fine Gael and Fianna Fail also.
I don’t think Sinn Fein should care one way or another who unionism throws out.
The DUP have done ok internationally, which is the most important thing.
I think they bit off more than they could chew of grabbing London pounds for free and didn’t expect the bill to go so high.
I have no issue with them stealing of London to be honest
My preference would be for things to keep going the way they are going.
If the UUP get on top again, that will be the end of the DUP and I imagine the UUP would eventually merge into Fine Gael.
A general election caused by the demise of Arlene Foster will change nothing in the minds of the DUP!
Sinn Fein need to stop faffing about and collapse the executive.
Then negotiations with the British and Irish governments need to begin, where every agreement was torn up or dumped by the DUP will have to be put back on the table for implementation.
The petition of concern may have started as a measure to help minority parties, but it was totally abused by the DUP, so it will have to be dumped or altered.
DUP ministers have been blatantly looking after their own constituencies (e.g. Paul Givan), so ministers’ powers will have to be curtailed.
All other existing problems to the efficient working of fair government will also have to be hammered out, and only when that happens should Sinn Fein agree to begin a democratic process which will allow for a new general election.
But responsibility falls firmly to Sinn Fein, and if they fudge this major issue, their future will be very much downhill, their faithful following are fed up to the teeth with prevarication!
I’d take direct rule with Dublin input in the morning. Stormont has not delivered and if the RHI scheme helps nationalists realise the sheer toothless nature of Stormont then it would have served some purpose.
Stormont has acted as a handbrake in the advancement of equality. It is unworkable because it gives a veto to religious bigots and anti-Irish xenophobics.
Stormont falling is to be welcomed in my view. Time to think again, it hasn’t worked. Unionists haven’t allowed it to work and seem hellbent on decades more of entrenchment and discrimination.
I know some Unionists on this blog might think I’m just “Unionist bashing” when I say things like “The Northern State is a failure because of political Unionism”, but I’m not bashing anyone, I’m simply stating the truth. Its not “my truth” or “your truth”, its simply accuracy.
The DUP has had 10 year’s now in Government to reach out to nationalists and they have done the opposite. Regardless of what propaganda Unionist newspapers spout out, the Union is finished in a long term sense, certainly for the North-East of Ireland. In order for the Union to survive, the DUP/UUP/TUV in the near future would need tens of thousands of nationalists voting for them regularly. That’s not going to happen. If they had a brain in their heads political Unionism would’ve spent the last few decades trying to integrate nationalists but that requires compromise, and the Protestant Ascendancy mind set doesn’t do compromises. Instead they created a lot of enemies who despise Unionism as an ideology. Hence why the state is a failure and will never work.
SF has gone down the route political Unionism should’ve gone down. SF has reached out to Unionists, they have said very recently that Unionists rights and culture will be respected in a United Ireland. This is all about integrating Unionists into an All Ireland state, just like what happened to many Unionists who were left in the new Republic in 1921. The result? the republic has been a hugely successful state economically and socially for everyone. Yes, it has its problems just like any state but it consistently ranks extremely high, usually higher than the UK, in many fields.
I’ve always been of the opinion that Joint Rule would happen before Irish Unity. Stormont was never ever a settled solution and I do feel it may be coming to its end soon. If not because of this RHI scandal then it will be something else that causes it to shut its doors for good. Stormont has just went from one crisis to another in the past 10 years. Its not sustainable.
If Joint Rule does occur, Unionists shouldn’t be outraged at SF or the British Government, they should be outraged at their own political parties and the dead end they walked down for decades. Maybe many (not all) Unionist voters have themselves to blame most of all when such a thing occurs…..
PS: Today is the 41st Anniversary of the Kingsmills Massacre. When the Reavey family were going to collect their dead brother’s bodies from the hospital (who were gunned down by the RUC/UDR/British Army Glenanne gang the night before) they came upon the scene committed by members of the IRA, where 10 protestant work men were cruelly gunned down on the road. Such sickening disregard for life by both Unionists and Republicans must never be allowed to happen again.
Ryan I think you are right on in what you say. The following quote says it all.
“By sharing power unionists are negating the reason they insisted on the state being created in
the first place.”
My apology for not noting the author of the above quote.
I forgot where I got it.
“If Joint Rule does occur.” Lets brace ourselves for another massive protest at City Hall.
I agree with you, Ryan – under current circumstances and with repeated failures of the institutions, I think the only reasonable outcome would be joint rule. And even the thought of being governed by the stories and FG makes me ill – but which is the lesser of the two evils? There is only so many crisis’ a government can face before the truth emerges that it’s untenable. In the event of the institutions overcoming the current crisis (which I feel is unlikely), I don’t know how they are going to sell any deal to a disillusioned, disinterested and fed up electorate – the “extra-Fresh Start”, perhaps?
Let’s not forget, in the past the DUP have been a barrier to progress in our society through their opposition to the GFA and there after – it pushed Nationalism around thinking it would capitulate with their demands – but it didn’t. In fact, “smash SF”, the old DUP mantra, came back to hunt them. Nearly 20 years later, the same DUP methology is still permeating throughout the party – they are still a barrier to progress. A DUP member once told me that they were fully aware that SF’s outreach to Unionism was damaging them amongst their electorate – they felt outreach to Nationalism would have the same effect on their own electorate. The DUP are more interested in protecting their image as the bastion and protector of Unionist dominance than the future of this place.
The DUP have used the power sharing arrangement, when it suited them best and simply as a means to wield and continue Unionist dominance over Northern Ireland. We have witnessed the continually negativity of the DUP in power – Could you imagine a situation of the DUP not being the largest party in the North or in power.
“Could you imagine a situation of the DUP not being the largest party in the North or in power.”
Very much so, it is inevitable
Here in West Tyrone a lot of us would welcome an election. Our politicians used to brag about
a peace dividend. Wind turbines on every hill in Tyrone and Derry. Risk of pollution from gold
mining or fracking. Is this what they had in mind. Impossible to get a public statement from
political parties as to their position on these matters. A lot of things to clear up as well as RHI.