“People die for love, for peace, for an idea. And people kill for those reasons too.”
– Old Chinese Proverb
The name of this article is controversial, so let me begin by stating that I do not support violence being used for political ends in the current Irish context – it will neither achieve Irish reunification now nor retain the link with Britain. Violence, in any circumstances, can only be justified where alternative methods of agitation and due process have routinely failed – as accepted under international law. Therefore, I have no sympathy for the blood-thirsty fanatics in Saoradh, who want to restart the conflict to inflate their own egos when most of them never even lived through it all. I deplore them. But in this I merely seek to examine the period when “democratic constitutionalism” failed; failed utterly.
When I was a youngster, I was usually the child who had their hand up in class first to answer questions. Naturally this didn’t go down well with a school-yard bully, who started to pick on me. I asked them several times to stop their intimidatory antics and I even gave them my milk as a sign of goodwill. But it boiled up one day when they pushed me and the Head-Master had to pull me (an otherwise quiet and reserved child) off of him and drag both of us into his office for a lecture. In the end, I got a bloody nose for the day and he had to endure a black eye for a fortnight. He always treated me with respect afterwards and to this day never fails to say hello. I say this because it’s a perfect example of human nature and how respect for others has to sometimes be forced upon some people via the thing they like to threaten others with – force.
Now, there is nothing romantic about war, war is not ideal and it is not pretty. In war, unlike in peace, people generally put their conscience on pause at times and do what they think is necessary for survival. That’s how human beings operate, in ‘fight or flight’ mode. But there is such a thing as a ‘just war’ – like say, the French Resistance against Nazism. And in any such conflict, there are heroes and villains on all sides. But usually in these circumstances, the methods deployed will be decided by the opposing sides – if an occupying or colonial power wants to act with brutality, they will come up against aggressive resistance. Ultimately, you get out of something what you put in. The theory of ‘creative destruction’ holds that out of the demise of one thing blossoms the development of something better. Or to put it in plain context, with the destruction of the Orange state has come the new Ireland of today – it’s not perfect but better than what we had. Even the bible teaches us that the Lord may destroy the world in order to save it. So we all have the capacity to be violent, if and when necessary.
As you will have noticed, there are people out there who harbour sickening revisionist sentiments concerning the republican campaign in the North. Particularly following Martin McGuinness’s tragic death. They generally don’t apply anywhere near the same scrutiny to the Loyalist or State campaign but that’s just a brief analysis. Some of these people, like right-wing mouthpiece Ms. Dudley Edwards, believe that it wasn’t necessary nor justified; Some of them insist that political means would have produced better results from the late ’60s onwards. And they are entitled to hold those views, but they aren’t entitled to claim to speak for the majority of people who lived under brutal military occupation by the Crown. They aren’t entitled, having never resided in the areas used as hunting grounds by Loyalist death-squads, to preach pacifism from the luxury of suburban security or Oxbridge privilege. For the same people who articulated these pious condemnations are those responsible for the problem in the first place – the British Government, the Unionist politicians and Free State Partitionists. In fact, even some unlikely individuals are stating just how impossible life was for Irish nationalists under that regime – like right wing Tory MEP Daniel Hannan and Republican Congressman Peter King.
During the early 1970s, despite what they were saying in public, several Cabinet members in the Irish Government tried to arm the IRA to defend nationalist areas from Loyalist onslaught. Indeed, Taoiseach Jack Lynch once planned to invade the North. Both Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil TDs provided refuge in their own homes, as fellow Irish people, to republicans ‘on the run’ in the Free State (including Gerry Kelly). In America, Republican and Democratic Congressional Representatives raised money for the IRA through NORAID. In the North, many SDLP representatives, especially their Belfast Councillors, told Sinn Fein members privately that the IRA should never give up their weapons without a final settlement; as these guns and the propensity to use them were the only bargaining chip the nationalist people had in a sea of conquest – that syntax could not garner the sort of concessions as Semtex could from the British state.
Now the reason I mention those points is simple, those who now lecture on the immorality of armed revolt saw no such problem with it in private when that awful era was going on. Indeed, they were relieved that they could sit in middle-class suburbia and not have to lift a finger to end British militarism while calling themselves “nationalists”. But also, they knew deep down that it was essential to altering the horrific circumstances that Britain imposed on Ireland then – from SAS hit squads to Bloody Sunday; from the legacy of the Famine to the killing fields of France – a long litany of betrayals.
Let’s be clear about something, anytime the Irish people opted for past political means they were drowned in a sea of blood. From the arrival of the Black & Tans after the 1918 election to the cutting to pieces of innocent Catholics by the Lenny Murphy’s of a gangster state; the Irish were lambs to the British slaughter. The political system was designed specifically to thwart any such progress here. Sunningdale, which only came about because of IRA violence, was allowed to collapse to appease Loyalist fascists who refused to share power with Catholics. The British government continued to arm, equip and finance these same Loyalist mercenaries, to terrorise the nationalist people into abandoning their campaign for justice. Ken Livingstone described the last several centuries of it as being ‘worse than the way the Nazis treated the Jews’. Indeed, John Lennon once wrote that “if you had the luck of the Irish, you’d wish you were English instead.”
A renowned priest once remarked that most of the republicans in jail during the conflict would never have seen the inside of a prison at all but for the abnormal political situation in Ireland. So to resist those circumstances was not only reasonable but just. To refuse to sit down and accept your community being slaughtered like “vermin” and the murderers acquitted in Orange courts. To want to correct a situation where men in the area are being interned without trial simply for being Irish. To recognise the illegality surrounding the mutilation of one part of your country, to appease a minority of Orange terrorists opposed to democracy. All of these understandings are actually very understandable, to any right thinking human being the world over; For there are forces in this world mightier than parliamentary majorities. Tory Cabinet Minister, Enoch Powell, infamously stated that “the freedom to be an independent self-governing nation is the highest political priority and one which any price is worth paying.”
I talk about these issues at times with friends, including some of those from the Unionist/Loyalist tradition; Nationalist young people don’t doubt that they owe their living standards and security now to the republican campaign, for the Civil Rights Movement failed against state brutality. Naturally, a few Unionist companions find it difficult to understand the validity of the IRA campaign or nationalist resistance to brutal occupation. To which I often reply, that their own sovereign government in London doesn’t find this difficult at all to comprehend – they are overseeing a process whereby British soldiers are now being tried and prosecuted for their crimes and tyranny in Ireland because the London politicians know what sort of terror they inflicted here. They know the devastation it caused and that any right thinking person was correct to resist that as such, including by force of arms. For who issued the OTR letters at the end of the day? Anytime a conversation about this gets heated I do well to remind them that we can sit and we can fight over everything that happened, from each of the atrocities to the next, but that the facts of history are never going to be on their side. It’s not, by any means, a case that these people don’t understand the necessity of force back then, it’s that they can’t accept it – which is a different thing entirely. Whatever is said about the importance of reconciliation, and it is important, remember one simple thing clearly – the nationalist community were right, and no revisionist coercion will prove otherwise.


There is no doubt in my mind or in my memory that unionism and then britain started this last specific process of violence in the late 1960s. It was essentially a complete over-reaction that spiralled out of their control very quickly.Paisley probably thought it was a great unholy gag to confront the right and just demands of the Civil Rights people. I remember his abrasive demeanour on the streets and how he whipped up a storm that there was no need for.When it kicked off as street hooliganism and some violent stone -throwing release against the RUC who were battering them, they probably assumed that it would be quickly quelled, but it went on to run for a generation.It’s all written down in black and white now and there is extensive documentary film of it all readily available in libraries, archives and on YouTube to remind anyone who needs reminding that it was not some Aladdin’s lamp that was rubbed and genies like Martin Mcguinness simply popped out into the clear blue sky for no good reason.
That is , it is all available if you are prepared to wade through the barrage of misinformation that followed. People like Ruth Dudley Edwards for one example, have no real notion of how it actually happened incrementally each day and each week on the streets and in homes and clodsed -off housing estates.Indeed it would take you to live another lifetime to relive the horror of it all day by day. There were genuine fighters against injustices and of course the illegality of it all released its share of psychopaths and the mad ones with the crazed light in their eyes….just like in any other war there’d be freaks and sickos who just wanted something or somebody to cut up. There was plenty of that too.Anyone who lived through it does not want it all back again.The biggest problem for britain , us and everyone else, was how to stop it when it got so out of hand to the extent that it had become a full-scale guerrilla war and little closed criminal empires that could easily go on at a low level forevermore.
That was all bound to happen when young men and women in particular areas began to fight back. First it was with sticks and stones and then it was the smuggled weapons of warfare that their opponents were already using. None of this was pretty and there is never any beauty in conflict.That doesn’t stop it constantly recurring time and time again all over the world in different countries, generation after generation. For us , there were a specific set of circumstances which led people in substantial numbers to support armed violence.When they might not otherwise do for reasons of personal morality.The truth is that any sense of morality was skewed anyway.Britain knows at base that they rule here under a falsehood.They knew it when they sent in their own young soldiers into the gap that removing power from the rotten state that unionist rule had produced . They’d already left it to fester for fifty years and didn’t want to know too much about it.They didn’t simply pull the plug on the Orange State for no good reason . They were embarrassed into it.It was an indefensible situation and they had also created a vacuum in the space between dismantling the thing and figuring out how to deal with the fallout.
There have been many british politicians who would have washed their hands of the place long ago , given the proper circumstances. They know that the proper circumstances will probably come at some stage in the future;the tories might have the DUP in their pocket at this moment but they’ll drop them if they feel like it . Even unionists probably know this truth and some might even be already planning their own violent resistance to any possible change ,but hopefully it will not produce another long-winded, bloody struggle to simply arrive at a point again at which the majority of the population were already at one hundred years ago.
Ta.
There are some disturbing ideas in this piece but it would be futile to challenge them I know.
In the end there will always be those (who did not live through it) like Donal who think it was all inevitable and necessary.
Thankfully most people disagree now and most people disagreed then.
I don’t see how that can be called ‘sickening revisionist sentiment’or why the death of Martin McGuinness should make those views any more or less true.
I
Something the present day SDLP seem to ignore is that, had the IRA not been running their campaign for the years of the troubles, they themselves would have been battered off the streets and out of existence by the ‘security forces’!
I grew up through this horrid, torrid time.
I remember the Peace People on the streets – they promoted non-violence as the best way to resolve the conflict.
I remember the work of the ongoing Corrymeela Centre; the work of the Christian Renewal Centre in Rostrover.
I remember the work of Children’s Community Holidays; and the very many other cross community projects seeking reconciliation.
All involved made a choice: violence was neither an appropriate response or solution.
There were many, many people who chose not to be involved in violent action.
I choose to remember them, and their many, many choices for peace.
If others choose to remember something else, then that is up to them.
No one *had* to die to get us to where we are today.
Some seem unable to say that.
“No one had to die”. That is true, but it required Protestant Unionists to stop treating their Catholic neighbours as second class citizens. To stop depriving them of their right to vote, to stop depriving them of their basic human rights, to stop discriminating against them in housing and jobs and most fundamentally to stop killing them when they protested against their oppression.
At each stage the death stakes of how far they would go to win, were raised by Unionists and the British.
8 of the first 10 people killed were Catholics beaten to death or shot by the RUC, another by Loyalists. The 1st Policeman shot by Loyalists. The first pub bomb massacre at McGurks by Loyalists (rumored to be directed by MI5).
We were already dying, the only question was whether Catholics would get back in their box and let the State Terrorists win again.
Thankfully they did not and State bullys and bigots the world over have had to rethink their strategies for oppression.
““No one had to die”. That is true, but”
And my answer to that is, No one had to die. (no but)
The British government decided on the acceptable level of violence.
Some policy statement that, huh?
They had no political will for peace.
PF, I didn’t ask a question.
I only identified for you, those that decided that people would die to protect the gains their forefathers had earned for them through previous massacres.
Paul
What a strange view of the world you must have
Did those who pulled the trigger not decide that someone was going to die?
Giordanobruno
I couldn’t agree more. The fact that the Unionist government in 69, directed the RUC and B Specials in the expectation that they would kill Catholic protesters, in no way absolves the RUC gunmen who opened fire on Divis with heavy machine guns killing an innocent man and an 8 year old boy asleep in his bed. Indeed, it was their aggressive sectarian reputation which was key to their selection in the first place.
Similarly, the fact that the British Government in 71, knew the bloodthirsty nature of the Paras, when they sent them into Ballymurphy and Derry, does not excuse those soldiers who decided to murder Irish civilians – as they are belatedly finding out.
The rest of us call this strange world ‘Reality’, and you are welcome to come and join us in it anytime. In fact, for your own good, it is strongly advised.
Paul
Whatabout Cromwell eh/
Anyhow I agree any state forces involved in actions such as those you list should be held responsible.
Your suggestion that the government ‘ directed the RUC and B Specials in the expectation that they would kill Catholic protesters,’ might need a bit of hard evidence but I am sure you have that to hand.
Did the IRA bear responsibility for pulling the trigger and killing people too?
“Your suggestion that the government ‘ directed the RUC and B Specials in the expectation that they would kill Catholic protesters,’ might need a bit of hard evidence but I am sure you have that to hand.”
Yip but sure how would one obtain that ‘hard evidence’ Gio? Asking the perpetrators/directors to investigate could be fraught with obvious difficulties dontcha think? Quicker than you can say John stalker there’d be an avalanche of official secret acts; national security interests and D notice roadblocks put in the way. Please pay attention.
“Anyhow I agree any state forces involved in actions such as those you list should be held responsible.”
Until such times as a plausible defence can be made for them of course? Cough cough, PTSD anyone?
giordanobruno
Cromwell has plenty to answer for, but not this, except perhaps as inspiration.
Of course the IRA bear responsibility for their actions, but by the time they had geared up, the stage had already been set with dozens of deaths and tens of thousands of Catholic refugees, burnt out of their homes in loyalist pogroms.
The Unionists had already layed down the marker that they would terrorise, murder, massacre, ethnically cleanse and whatever else it took, to keep the Catholics in their place and anybody who wanted to change that was going to have to take that hit and dish it out in kind.
Shamefully, the British then backed them up and the rest, as they say, is history.
wolfie
Maybe we should not make such statements then if we cannot produce the evidence!
I don’t see why PTSD would be a defence before the act.
Straw man.
I said people should be held responsible for their actions and that is what I mean.
Can you say the same about the ra?
“Maybe we should not make such statements then if we cannot produce the evidence!”
Aye I see you dodged the question yet again. Same old same old.
The IRA has been held responsible for its actions. Please keep up.
wolfie
What question did I dodge?
“Anyhow I agree any state forces involved in actions such as those you list should be held responsible.”
What about the current government covering up to protect their old soldiers as well as the reputations of ministers and others?
And I mean acts such as preventing the proven to be fraudulent police sheets that convicted the Guildford 4 for example. These have been blocked for decades and are still being denied to legal teams as are many other documents needed by barristers to do their jobs and denied over national security when no viable security issue exists.
Should they not be held responsible also?
jessica
Yes of course.
“PF, I didn’t ask a question.”
I know you didn’t; it’s also possible answer a statement, which is what I did.
“it required Protestant Unionists to stop treating their Catholic neighbours as second class citizens”.
To some extent – seeing the long list of non-implemented Agreements, they still haven’t done that.
Will they in the current talks?
““it required Protestant Unionists to stop treating their Catholic neighbours as second class citizens”.
To some extent – seeing the long list of non-implemented Agreements, they still haven’t done that.”
And if the justification, or reason for the Troubles is the former, does the latter justify violence now?