How not to listen, how not to read

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I was watching the political debate on RTÉ last night and a thought crossed my mind: these guys aren’t listening to each other. No, that’s wrong: they’re listening to each other but only so they can weigh in and score some telling point at the next opportunity.  It’s a debate where the idea is not to explore a subject so much as to bash your opponent over the head with it. Natural enough when you’re just four days away from the time when Xs will go on ballots. Or not.

And that gave rise to two other thoughts.  The first is that, north and south during the local and European elections, most people won’t vote. They’re so busy/so lazy, they essentially say to those who vote: “You do it for me. You decide who our representatives will be”.  Some countries respond to that kind of attitude by making voting compulsory. Over thirty, including Australia and Belgium, make sure that all of the people make the decisions,  because if they don’t they’ll be penalised. I have considerable sympathy with that. If people are too careless of the voting system that they can’t be bothered to use it, there’s a case for forcing them to use it. Like seat belts, it means we’re all safer.

The other thing I found myself thinking about was this blogsite. Virtually every day I commit to print some idea or ideas that have been rattling round in the echoing cave that passes for my brain. I try to put these ideas into as readable a form as possible, time permitting. I realise that not everybody is going to agree with the nationalist/republican perception that, by and large, I bring to events. Having read the blog, some readers  weigh in with their thoughts.

It all sounds like a very civilised process and even worthwhile, encouraging people to think about the issue in question and contribute their own thoughts, so others can benefit from them and develop their thinking. Except it strikes me – and it’s probably struck you – that the comments on this site  and probably most other similar sites  are a dialogue of the deaf. Hand on heart, now: when did you last read a blog here or elsewhere which changed or even mildly modified your thinking? It seems to me that people very often see in these blogs what they want to see. David Dunseith used to be good on this: he’d say that people on his radio programme heard, not what was said, but what they decided they wanted to hear. Ditto my blogs: people frequently don’t address what’s there so much as what they would like to see there. What passes for dialogue can very often be a dialogue of the deaf.  I know one or two bloggers who, having followed the model I’m using which encourages readers to express their own thoughts, decided it was pointless. Discussion as Punch and Judy performance. Great hatred, little room. And they closed the door. They still write their blogs but they don’t provide a debating chamber for discussion to go with them.

OK, it’s a damp Monday morning and I may be painting the picture in dark colours; but I’d be interested to know what readers think the benefits/drawbacks of reading a blog of this nature is. Maybe it’s time for a change?

89 Responses to How not to listen, how not to read

  1. PW May 19, 2014 at 8:52 am #

    Jude, you write the best blog in the country. Long may it continue.

    • Jude Collins May 19, 2014 at 11:38 am #

      Go raibh maith agat, PW …Um, would that be the same country as the one where Stephen Nolan’s show is the biggest, or another one?

      • PW May 19, 2014 at 1:55 pm #

        Jude, definitely not Stephen Nolan’s idea of a country. Every time he utters those words, it’s an embarrassment. I cannot fathom how a person can see six counties, something about the size of Devon as a country. I wouldn’t be surprised if some farms in the USA or Russia are bigger. It’s a sad and very limiting mindset to hold. I often believe he should be pitied more than laughed at.
        Ireland is the country which includes North, South, East and West. This is the correct terminology, no matter what way the political boundaries are set.

  2. RJC May 19, 2014 at 9:00 am #

    Please keep at it, Jude. Since stumbling across this blog (via a link from BangorDub) I have been consistently inspired, educated, amused and entertained.

    I understand your point re ‘people only hear what they want to hear’ and as I would be of a nationalist/republican mindset it could be argued that I only come on here to have my own conceptions validated.

    Having said that, out of the ten European candidates I will only be putting an ‘X’ next to five of them, two of whom are Unionist. Some Republican I am, eh?

    Keep it up.

  3. neill May 19, 2014 at 9:13 am #

    Interesting new article Jude I suspect you are right.

    Unlike RJC I usually find your blog annoyingly ill informed and down right infuriating however I still read it and that is a mark of a truly entertaining blog.

    Jude also deserves credit for giving up so much of his time to his blog and for that he does deserve rrespect

    • Jude Collins May 19, 2014 at 11:40 am #

      Neill I take my hat off to you – you’re an honest man. Even if you are wrong about me being ill-informed. I’m BURSTING with information…But go raibh maith agt – thank you.

  4. Maggie May May 19, 2014 at 9:50 am #

    All of us could take a lesson from the weather Jude. It pays no heed to criticism.

  5. Am Ghobsmacht May 19, 2014 at 10:21 am #

    No change Dr C!

    Keep it as it is.

    BTW, hand on heart I have had my views shaped by the arguments of others, e.g. over on slugger there are some very articulate contributors who give me things to consider and mull over.

    Unfortunately Mick banned one of the best ones though (to be fair, he was a bit of a live one…)

    BTW, as an experiment, how about having a debate based on similar lines to De Bono’s ‘seven thinking hats’?

    • Jude Collins May 19, 2014 at 11:43 am #

      Grma – thanks, A G. As to de Bono’s 7 hats – sure. You write up how it works, I’ll post it and if people agree we can use it with next blog put up. Might I add I always find your contributions measured and informed. Including the ones I disagree with.

      • Am Ghobsmacht May 21, 2014 at 11:42 pm #

        Dr C

        Shamefully I recalled the title incorrectly, it’s SIX not SEVEN (shows how much I absorbed when I read it…).

        Basically, instead of throwing all of one’s ideas into a single response/post, people are invited to divide their opinions along the lines of a specific emotion.

        For example, if your topic was about Orange parades in Belfast (which I’m sure it will be soon enough now that carnival season is upon us) and you asked for response you would get a variety, some agreeing, some passionate, some reasoned and some cold.

        By asking for (example) ‘red hat thinking’ you would be inviting ONLY emotional responses, not logical or reasoned, just the gut feelings of people.

        Then you could ask for ‘black hat thinking’ (logic) where people have to give cautious and reasoned arguments NOT the customary whatabouteries or point dodging.

        Six colours, six emotional responses.

        In meetings and committees it stops people from being sidelined by those who are perhaps more articulate or who have more personality.

        It might perhaps work in a blog environment too and lead to some agreement or positive thinking.

        Here’s wiki’s summary of it:

        “The premise of the method is that the human brain thinks in a number of distinct ways which can be deliberately challenged, and hence planned for use in a structured way allowing one to develop tactics for thinking about particular issues. De Bono identifies six distinct directions in which the brain can be challenged. In each of these directions the brain will identify and bring into conscious thought certain aspects of issues being considered (e.g. gut instinct, pessimistic judgement, neutral facts). None of these directions are completely natural ways of thinking, but rather how some of us already represent the results of our thinking.

        Since the hats do not represent natural modes of thinking, each hat must be used for a limited time only. Also, many will feel that using the hats is unnatural, uncomfortable or even counter productive and against their better judgement.

        A compelling example presented is sensitivity to “mismatch” stimuli. This is presented as a valuable survival instinct, because, in the natural world: the thing that is out of the ordinary may well be dangerous. This mode is identified as the root of negative judgement and critical thinking.

        Six distinct directions are identified and assigned a color. The six directions are:
        Managing (Blue) – what is the subject? what are we thinking about? what is the goal?
        Information (White) – considering purely what information is available, what are the facts?
        Emotions (Red) – intuitive or instinctive gut reactions or statements of emotional feeling (but not any justification)
        Discernment (Black) – logic applied to identifying reasons to be cautious and conservative
        Optimistic response (Yellow) – logic applied to identifying benefits, seeking harmony
        Creativity (Green) – statements of provocation and investigation, seeing where a thought goes

        Coloured hats are used as metaphors for each direction. Switching to a direction is symbolized by the act of putting on a coloured hat, either literally or metaphorically. These metaphors allow for a more complete and elaborate segregation of the thinking directions. The six thinking hats indicate problems and solutions about an idea the thinker may come up with.

        • Jude Collins May 22, 2014 at 9:57 am #

          MMMmmm AG – I go with the basic premise of the hats thing but it does sound overly complicated. I suspect the interest of people in the topic would flag if they were forced to adpot these differing perspectives in turn. Might it not work better if bits of it were used (at least at first)? For example, you could ask for a gut response, no reasons for it. Then move to comments which have evidence attached to them. I think if we got that far initially we’d be making progress. How’d you like to do a blog on the approach and get response?

          • Am Ghobsmacht May 22, 2014 at 10:58 am #

            Good point Dr C.

            WRT the blog idea, I’ll have a think about a practical format for a taster.

            (Give us a couple of weeks though, things are hairy here at the moment).

  6. Norma wilson May 19, 2014 at 10:22 am #

    Hi Jude

    I adore this site, I have found it both informative educational and it has changed my hard attitude and softened my thought process to the situation here in this part of the world.
    So carry on the good work!
    Norma

    • Jude Collins May 19, 2014 at 11:43 am #

      Norma – I think I love you…

  7. paddykool May 19, 2014 at 10:37 am #

    Hey Jude :
    I have to take my hat off to you .It is a bleary drizzly Monday where I sit. My honeybees are struggling to get out of the hives..That kind of grey day where I’m inside more than out .At times like this your blog allows me to while away a few stimulating moments inside.

    People have no idea how hard it is to constantly come up with ideas daily to stimulate and aggravate discussion .They must think it simply pops into the writer’s mind and isn’t the product of a lifetime’s experience.Let any of them try it!

    It’s for that reason I can support your thoughts. Obviously we are not expected to agree with every point but it would be great to get some new real imaginative ideas with a little background detail from the contributors..In many cases a well- thought out piece is answered with a snappy one-liner reply as if the contributor imagines he has the wit of Groucho Marx and the grace and lucidity of Solomon , when in reality it’s just a lazy retort with no rational input. It adds nothing to the conversation .It would be great to see a little understanding or creative thought.

    People approach the topic with closed minds and literally do not hear or readvwhat is being said…or maybe simply are not using any critical faculty at all. Many times they appear to completely misunderstand what is being proposed.

    It really does feel like pissing in the wind sometimes and I’ve expressed my fear that people are wasting both their time , mine and yours .You must feel that too. It’s plain bad manners to enter a debate forum like your blog and sit with whatever ideas may be rattling through your head but with your mouth taped shut. It’s like heckling expletives in a darkened room with no fear of being seen.

    Those that can …do….those that cannot,…. criticise.. comes to mind.

    Sometimes I think that increasingly a generation’s attention- span has been whittled away to such an extent that they cannot carry a thought or read anything more than a few lines without losing the thread. I wish I’d be proven wrong.

    This is also part and parcel of my criticism of shows like “Nolan”…In a place , more than any other, where we need information and proper debate to explain all the points of view , we get politics-light and a bearpit of acrimony and false trails.

    The ideal that we should be forced to vote is a good one ..I’ve had to do Jury service three times in my life and it is basically enforced .There’s not much you can do to wriggle out of it or they’ll send the cops around to drag you in to do you public service …so enforced voting sounds like a fair idea . It would certainly give a much more realistic snapshot of how everyone is thinking or being persuaded to think…..

    • Jude Collins May 19, 2014 at 11:47 am #

      Thank you PK – your own comments are a model of thoughtfulness. And btw, if you or any other commenter would like to develop a point and do a guest blog from time to time, I’m totally open to that.

  8. Iolar May 19, 2014 at 11:15 am #

    Marx said that, “the only constant in history is change” and Billy Connolly said, “It does not matter what the weather is like, it is what you are wearing that matters”. Keep up the excellent work. I was going to suggest that you establish a triumvirate, however, I have changed my mind. It might be better if you would select two females, one representing the north of Ireland and the other the south of Ireland. As chairperson you could adjudicate on the need for an international commission to deal with all aspects of our past, set pay levels for bankers, chief executives of charities, funding for health and education services and abolish quangos. I have no doubt you would save taxpayers a fortune and get better results. Look what happens when a football manager fails to deliver. He is yesterday’s news. Bankers and failed politicians get lucrative pensions and then more financial incentives to lecture the electorate on the way forward. I trust my proposal will lead tothe establishment of your working group.

    • Jude Collins May 19, 2014 at 11:50 am #

      Ha ha Iolar – you’re a laff. Mind you, two females..No, that’s non-PC, slip of finger. Anyway, we’re stuck with that messy thing called democracy, or at least a version of it. The triumvirate might make the trains run on time but we’d end up being strung up with piano-wire…

      • Iolar May 19, 2014 at 4:04 pm #

        Apologies for my critique of a triumvirate. As for the messy thing called democracy, we used to have a democratic deficit, now there is just a deficit. Your words do not fall on deaf ears. Beir bua.

  9. giordanobruno May 19, 2014 at 12:57 pm #

    Jude
    I agree. It is very rare for this or any blog to effect a real change of mind in myself, or anyone else I would guess.
    It is occassionally informative and I do try to think about my responses before posting, though I daresay it does not seem that way.
    I often write a first response in haste and sometimes irritation, which I immediately discard and replace with a little more thought.
    Perhaps it is best not to take it too seriously. We send off our predictable arguments full of whataboutery and evasion for the same reason you write the blog.
    We enjoy it
    we enjoy it

  10. Pointis May 19, 2014 at 1:28 pm #

    Dear Jude,

    Cyberspace would be a much duller medium without your blog. I do hope the dull dreary Monday at home doesn’t dampen your soul. I am in Lourdes and the weather is beautiful and the people (resident and helpers are even nicer) I suspect Jude that there are many people who read your blog who (like many of the pilgrims here), don’t feel capable of articulating their ideas on a website and those silent majority would really lose out if you gave up. Please don’t, for the sake of the silent ones!

    On another note, I heard on radio that in Greece they considered a process whereby if you do not vote your name is put in a pool and members of the parliament are selected from the pool in proportion to those that did not vote. So if there was 60% turn out, 40% of the parliament would be picked randomly from the pool of those who didn’t vote. Sounds fair enough to me!

    • Jude Collins May 19, 2014 at 1:43 pm #

      Thank you, Pointis. I feel indeed heartened by the many nice (if untrue) things that people have said. Mind you I still think my notion of ‘dialogue of the deaf’ hasn’t been properly addressed. Maybe that’s because readers are….deaf?

      • Pointis May 19, 2014 at 10:47 pm #

        Sorry Jude,

        I probably fell into the trap that some of the other readers also did of just worrying that you had just gotten so disheartened that you felt like giving the whole thing up rather than looking at the fact that you are considering the format.

        Guest blogs are a good idea! I don’t know if you need to put yourself under pressure of formulating a new blog everyday sometimes discussions are only picking up on the second day of a blog while a new one has already been produced. Keep up the good work!

    • ANOTHER JUDE May 19, 2014 at 8:55 pm #

      I haven`t been to Lourdes yet, it looks amazing on tv. Say one for us all!

      • Pointis May 19, 2014 at 10:38 pm #

        Another Jude,

        I am in Lourdes with my family as we have had a difficult few years with the children being ill. I hope you get the chance to experience Lourdes for yourself. I am here with an organised pilgrimage from Ireland and have not experienced greater love /altuism for fellow human beings than I have from the people here.

        On Saturday night we watched a military procession made up of what seemed like every army in the world all holding candles and giving thanks to Our Lady of Lourdes. All elements of the defence forces were represented, navy, army and airforce, Irish, British and USA were all represented along with most European countries and some African countries. Quite amazing, the procession took 1.5 hours to complete. Lourdes is beautiful!

        And I will say a prayer for all of you that you continue to bring light into someone else’s life!

  11. PW May 19, 2014 at 1:45 pm #

    Jude, definitely not Stephen Nolan’s idea of a country. Every time he utters those words, it’s an embarrassment. I cannot fathom how a person can see six counties, something about the size of Devon as a country. I wouldn’t be surprised if some farms in the USA or Russia are bigger. It’s a sad and very limiting mindset to hold. I often believe he should be pitied more than laughed at.
    Ireland is the country which includes North, South, East and West. This is the correct terminology, no matter what way the political boundaries are set.

    • ANOTHER JUDE May 19, 2014 at 9:00 pm #

      That`s the thing though, decades of partitionist tv and media in general, constant references to this `northern Ireland`entity and we still ignore it. The weather forecasts are the best, references to the `east coast` of northern Ireland, and the `west` of the `republic` of Ireland. It`s Ireland, always was and always will be. Besides, if it`s good enough for the Orange Order (Grand Lodge Of Ireland) then it`s good enough for me.

    • Am Ghobsmacht May 19, 2014 at 11:13 pm #

      PW

      I met a fella on this rig (where I’m working now) from this place: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niue

      It has a population smaller than the Mid-Ulster village that I grew up in.

      Here are other countries smaller than NI.

      http://www.aneki.com/smallest.html

      If you don’t want NI to exist then make the nationalist pitch more inviting (as Another Jude does on occasion).

      I would recommend ditching nationalism and replacing it with ‘unificationism’, nationalism has baggage, unificationism doesn’t.

      • Jude Collins May 20, 2014 at 10:52 am #

        Fair point, AG. But I think ‘unificationism’ has baggage too. I heard someone suggest that ‘united Ireland’ is one of these trigger words that send people bananas and they stop listening (if they’ve ever started). He suggested we should talk instead about an ‘agreed Ireland’. I’m not sure that would change very many minds or open them to the unaccustomed light of thought, but it might be worth trying.

        • Am Ghobsmacht May 21, 2014 at 1:45 am #

          Hmmmmm, ‘Agreed Ireland’ you say? That might work.

      • William Fay May 20, 2014 at 11:04 am #

        Ah sorry ghobsmacht, you are missing the point, the whole idea is they don’t want unionists

      • PW May 20, 2014 at 1:02 pm #

        AG, yes there are small places that can be considered countries, but all I’m saying is that I find it very insular and limiting to look at the 6 counties, the size of Devon as a wee country especially when the world loves the Irish and people from Ireland, north, south, east and west!! If nationalism has baggage, Unionism has it as well, perhaps the major problem with the 6 counties is that it was built on baggage. Its formation from civil war to partition required gerrymandering to make it work for Unionism otherwise it would have failed from its conceptional moments. I seem to recall that counties of Ulster were dropped to maintain the unionist grip. Indeed, one of Carson’s biggest regrets was the partition of Ireland.
        To mention re-unification amongst many Unionists is similar to ‘farting in a lift’, but if that’s where we need to go, so be it.
        The alternative is propping up a failed entity, which historically never works for long before crisis appears.
        WF, unionists are required to build any new Ireland. If an new Ireland could be built with the Queen as head, a bit like Oz, it should be on the table, I would have no trouble with that and I doubt the south would either!!

        • Am Ghobsmacht May 21, 2014 at 1:49 am #

          yes, unionism has it’s baggage, I never mention it because I assume it is taken as a given.

          It has more baggage than an 18th century gentleman explorer.

          I concede maybe the word ‘reunificationism’ maybe a bad choice, but there must be something that hasn’t been tarnished.

  12. Ceannaire May 19, 2014 at 2:00 pm #

    Jude I visit here once, mostly twice, per day and post only occasionally. I enjoy your posts as they are very close to my own political viewpoint.
    I think if yourself, Bangordub and the mighty an sionnach fionn closed up shop my day would be less entertaining.
    So, Jude (and with apologies to ‘Taken’): “If you continue to blog, that’ll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don’t, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will make you listen to Stephen Nolan saying “our country” on endless repeat.”

  13. navanman May 19, 2014 at 2:01 pm #

    Ho Jude.
    I found your blog by accident a number of months ago. I really enjoy them. They are
    Intelligently written with a hint of humour which is refreshing and a big change from the normal bile and hard nosed point scoring that passes for debate. Your blog also gives voice to the what i call the silent interested. The ones who have been fed the likes of the sindo and mainstream anti nat/rep media. For many years if i started to talk about the north i would quickly be put down as a Provo lover- not true by any means. Your blog is a bright light that shows there are a few good journalists out there and i use some of your thoughts and insights when talking to people. Do you think your blog helping people articulate their thoughts in a better way is one good reason to keep going? If you feel you are not getting a good debate going maybe a guest speaker from another blog might stir things up abit. People are afton attracted to the blog that supports their world view. So maybe a bit of swapping. Are you willing to throw your car keys in a bowl and see who picks them out?

    • Jude Collins May 19, 2014 at 4:44 pm #

      Go raibh cead maith agat, Navanman. I’m with you about guest bloggers – the floor is open to anyone who’s prepared to put forward a point of view in a civilized way. As for that bowl – I’d have to check out the other throwers beforehand….

  14. Yellowford May 19, 2014 at 3:05 pm #

    Hi Jude. I regularly read through your blog and enjoy it thoroughly. I’ve never commented here until now and I feel that there are many like me who do the same. Please keep up the good work.

    • Jude Collins May 19, 2014 at 4:45 pm #

      Grma, YF. your words are appreciated, believe me.

  15. Yellowford May 19, 2014 at 3:11 pm #

    Also, I really appreciate am ghobsmact’s comments and like him would like to get fdm back on somewhere. If indeed, that is who he is referring to.

    • Am Ghobsmacht May 20, 2014 at 1:50 am #

      YF

      FDM is indeed the blogger I was referring to.

  16. RJC May 19, 2014 at 3:48 pm #

    Also – Jude, given that every newspaper on this island appears to have put a red mark against your name perhaps it might be an idea to proffer the occasional op-ed/article to The Manchester Guardian (they won a Pulitzer Prize dontcha know…)

    I don’t know how these things work, what palms you would have to grease or who you would have to sleep with, but I think that writing the quality of yours could find a good home there. Stay strong. Fight the good fight. Kick Out The Jams.

    • Jude Collins May 19, 2014 at 4:47 pm #

      Grma, RJC. I’ve had one or two things down the years in the Comment Is Free section of the Guardian. But I had to sleep with so many people to get them in, I was exhausted before I got to a final draft…

  17. Tom Coughlan May 19, 2014 at 5:10 pm #

    Jude I look to my inbox every morning to set my brain in gear from your concise words of wisdom. I find your blog is written with great vision and wit and this Victoria always gets your point.
    Ber Bua

    Tom

  18. angela May 19, 2014 at 6:19 pm #

    I love reading your blog Jude and the replies. Please don’t stop…it’s the only place I can read intelligent analysis of what’s going on here.

    • Jude Collins May 19, 2014 at 7:18 pm #

      Go raibh maith agat – thanks v much Angela (blushes furiously)

  19. madadh mór May 19, 2014 at 6:21 pm #

    I always read and sometimes comment but I think you are too gentle and well mannered for this rough and tumble. Even Norma has turned her coat.

    • Jude Collins May 19, 2014 at 7:18 pm #

      I’m too good for this world, if truth were told. Though don’t ask the wife…

  20. Sheila mc Coy May 19, 2014 at 7:15 pm #

    Jude, First of all thank you for your daily blog which I read each day you issue.The articles you touch on sum up and confirms all the things I would agree with.Do you know even though I do not add anything to your discussion I so look forward to reading,so please do not give it up. You are the only independant person who writes it as he sees it.

    • Jude Collins May 19, 2014 at 7:19 pm #

      Go raibh maith agat, Sheila – thank you very much indeed. You are too kind.

  21. BaldyBapTheBarber May 19, 2014 at 8:31 pm #

    Hi Jude,

    The benefits for me in way of reading this blog is that I’m continually learning, and not just from you but from the many contributors who also engage. I started reading your blog just before Christmas, after a friend of mine sent me a link to a story, and i’ve tuned in ever since.

    The drawback for me is the amount of time I spend reading and checking the blog, i think I’m hooked 🙂

    Your blog is fresh and always articulately composed.

    Thank you my man, you brighten my day.

    God bless

    • Jude Collins May 19, 2014 at 8:50 pm #

      I’m overwhelmed, BBTB. Go raibh cead maith agat…

  22. neill May 19, 2014 at 8:52 pm #

    This love in must stop it might make Jude more agreeable and less confrontational which would never do!

    Therefore the (ceasefire) will be over at midnight let normality resume! ; )

  23. ANOTHER JUDE May 19, 2014 at 8:53 pm #

    I log on here every day without fail, I have to say I agree with 99.9% of what you say, (actually 100% would be closer to the truth…..) but is that REALLY such a surprise? Let`s face it we are both northern Nationalist/Republicans of a certain vintage, with a strong Catholic faith and I would say we were both named after the patron saint of hopeless cases. By our dear old devoted mothers, sniff, sniff…Keep up the good work Professor, where else would you get such a diverse and interesting bunch of contributors? Good God man, even Norma wants you to stay!!!

  24. Norma wilson May 19, 2014 at 8:54 pm #

    Goodnight Jude

    Now you know exactly what it is liked to be loved.
    Norma

  25. paddykool May 19, 2014 at 9:29 pm #

    Jude :
    You mentioned guest contributions….in reference to that I sent in piece some time back by e mail but I don’t know if you got it or maybe just thought it was n’t right.it was a non political piece. It occurs to me that it may have been lost in the mix but I never got a reply…..just saying,,,,

  26. giordanobruno May 19, 2014 at 10:20 pm #

    Those of you worried that Jude is going to call it a day, should realise what he means.
    Despite his great humility I don’t think Jude is a man to deprive the world of his wisdom.
    He is not thinking about closing down his blog he is thinking about closing down us.
    Be afraid!

    • Pointis May 19, 2014 at 10:55 pm #

      Giordanobruno,

      The blog really would be a poorer one without the other contributions from the readers which is what makes it a richer (live) format than a newspaper editorial or column.

    • Jude Collins May 20, 2014 at 11:54 am #

      Uh-uh, gio. I’m a pit of vanity and so of course I love all these nice things people have said. But my point was that people don’t engage in follow-up discussion in an open way. It’s fixed positions lobbing verbal missiles. Good fun, but does it advance anyone’s thinking? That was my point. And btw – of COURSE I’d close YOU down in a heart-beat, but there are other good people here as well, so…

      • giordanobruno May 20, 2014 at 5:01 pm #

        Jude
        Yes if you want the good ones you will have to put up with me too.
        But to address your point I do think that a lot of your posts are polemical by nature. You tend to put out strong views , often with derisive remarks about Unionists, the Media etc.
        And that is fine, it is part of what I like about your blog, but it does not tend to encourage thoughtful debate. More likely you will get a series of comments of the ‘good man Jude’ variety interspersed with a few of the ‘change the record Jude’ sort.
        On another thread I suggested you investigate the Orange Order website and their claim to do educational outreach to Catholic schools. You did not respond.
        So maybe a few pieces like that might help productive discussion, if that is what is wanted.

        • Jude Collins May 20, 2014 at 6:33 pm #

          Gio – I’m horrified to find you may have a point i agree with…partially. I don’t know that I want to start writing ‘balanced’ pieces – I write what I believe, which is (yes, Virginia) unbalanced. But I agree, that’s sorta bad example from someone who’s asking for further thought. Could I not just let you wise people be the thoughtful ones and I’ll be the loud-mouth that triggers you into thought? No? Mmmm….Back to blackboard.

  27. ASR May 19, 2014 at 10:25 pm #

    Jude,

    I only contribute occasionally to the blog but log on a couple of times every day also to read up on the posts. I find myself in agreement with you the majority of time. I enjoy each persons contribution and would certainly miss the blog were it to stop. So keep up the good work, nothing worthwhile comes easy. Anyway, surely you would be stopping at the wrong time, considering the changes in the political landscape that continue to come our way. I’m almost tempted to say it’s exciting times ahead. Just imagine the fun you’d have watching the southern media if Sinn Féin were to do well next week. In the meantime Jude thanks for your time and effort so far, please don’t stop.

    GRMA

  28. William Fay May 20, 2014 at 5:21 am #

    In response to Iolar, Marx also said, “Religion is the impotence of the human mind to deal with occurrences it cannot understand.” I hope you got some comfort and support from your visit to Lourdes, pointis.
    PW, you put the same blog up twice, put it up a few more times and maybe it will make NI go away. The country is NI, there are no rules on what size a country should be, Luxembourg, Liechenstein, San Marino, Vatican City, etc, do you get my drift. Whatever the rights and wrongs of 22, this is what we have got, so get on with it. The RoI don’t want us! and the reality is, most of us don’t want them.
    PS, this blog does my head in, the one thing I do agree on is, yes, we do go off on tangents, that is the way the human brain processes, it picks up on one aspect, and runs with it.

    • Anthony May 20, 2014 at 8:18 am #

      William
      All those examples of countries you gave are sovereign States and thats what makes them countries. The 6 counties is a province that is at present artificially within the uk, but the 6 counties is also (not artificially) within the province of Ulster, which is one of the four provinces of Ireland.
      NI is not a country, its a province of another country within a province of a sovereign State called Ireland.

      • William Fay May 20, 2014 at 8:41 am #

        Nonsense

    • PW May 20, 2014 at 8:30 am #

      WF, yes I posted it twice by mistake and couldn’t find a way of taking one of the posts down, such a criminal act. It would be easy to go off on a tangent with this one, but sure, Unionism used to plaster the place with Ulster. The country of Ulster, Ulster says No, Ulster TV, Radio Ulster… Then it must have dawned that it was only 6 counties and not Ulster hence now a big push for the wee country of Northern Ireland. It must be awful to live in the 6 counties and just look across the water to London as a fellow people and freeze at the thought that the rest of the land mass (Ireland – 26 counties ) may have something in common – being Irish.

      • William Fay May 20, 2014 at 8:49 am #

        PW, you decide what you want to be, please don’t try and insist what I am, I can make that decision for myself. If you want to pledge your allegiance to another country, that’s your call, I have absolutely nothing in common with the RoI

        • Jude Collins May 20, 2014 at 11:58 am #

          William, I’m sure there’s something suspect about that statement “plese don’t try and insist what I am, I can make that decision for myself”. Let me think, now…

          • William Fay May 20, 2014 at 2:59 pm #

            Go on then Jude, spell it out

          • Jude Collins May 20, 2014 at 3:24 pm #

            Well OK William if you insist. None of us can ‘decide’ what we are. And it could be that someone else knows what we are better than we do. But either way, we can’t choose what we are, although (within limits) we can choose what we will become.

          • William Fay May 22, 2014 at 11:23 am #

            Bonjour Jude, je suis desole mais je n’ai ete loin visite a des amis dans la mere patrie.

            You are right in part of what you say, ‘we are what we are’. I didnt choose to be born British, just like you, but that’s what we are. I was born into a poor household, did not get any help from the state, but made something of myself. I didn’t choose to murder people to get on in life, as is the case for most of us; people need to understand that unreformed terrorists will not be accepted by many, no matter what their weasel words may be. We will argue on here for years, but it will take many more years for people to move on from the past.

            A bientot.

  29. Jake Mac Siacais May 20, 2014 at 5:30 am #

    Blog smaointeach. Coinnigh leis an obair. Maith thú.

    • Jude Collins May 20, 2014 at 10:48 am #

      Go raibh cead maith agat, Jake

    • William Fay May 20, 2014 at 11:02 am #

      Jake and the rest, I don’t understand gaelic but I’m fluent in French, would it help if I started posting my blogs in French.
      Merci beaucoup, en particulier tous les haut-parleurs vous gaélique

      • Jude Collins May 20, 2014 at 3:25 pm #

        William, I think Jake was talking to me.

        • William Fay May 20, 2014 at 9:34 pm #

          So what you are saying is that you and others are speaking in gaelic so that the likes of myself can’t understand.

          • Jude Collins May 21, 2014 at 1:15 pm #

            William, William – not everything is about you. I’m learning Irish, someone compliments me in Irish, I reply…Really, no conspiracy, I promise you. And we were talking to each other. You were eavesdropping.

      • Ceannaire May 20, 2014 at 3:26 pm #

        William, grow up. Irish is the indigenous language of this place.
        And its name is Gaelige (spelling it correctly and giving it the capital letter it deserves, like you did with ‘French’, is polite.)
        Now tell me again – why are you attempting to speak French?

        • William Fay May 20, 2014 at 9:39 pm #

          “Grow up”, I can’t speak gaelic, so if you and others are speaking it, I take that is to exclude the likes of myself.
          En fait, je trouve cela très impoli

      • RJC May 20, 2014 at 6:19 pm #

        There’s always Google translate if you’re struggling to keep up, William.

        Northern Ireland is not a country. Never was, never will be.

        If you feel you have absolutely nothing in common with the Republic then that’s your prerogative, but all are welcome in this New Ireland of ours.

  30. Anthony May 20, 2014 at 7:51 am #

    Jude
    I first came across your blog from a link on bangordubs site and have been an avid reader since. I enjoy reading your views daily and I also enjoy reading the views of others threw the comments section.

    I would read your blog whether there were comments allowed or not but I hope you keep on allowing comments by fellow readers as your views and the comments of others are food for thought for the many who are far from deaf.

    Go raibh maith agat for all the hard work you put in.

  31. maryjo May 20, 2014 at 11:00 am #

    Jude, I’m a day late checking in here to have my say that there is more to commenting than the prejudices and fixed opinions of the commentators – there those like me who don’t have much to say but avidly read the comments as well as your piece. They certainly reflect the broad range of opinion and prejudice that is NI. Your blog I find informative, witty and entertaining. I generally share your views even though I frequently empathise with Norma’s point of view. Please don’t drop the comments – I read your blog early in the day and come back later just to read those great comments.

  32. maryjo May 20, 2014 at 11:01 am #

    Rud eile, go raibh maith agat.

    • Jude Collins May 20, 2014 at 12:01 pm #

      Maryjo, go raibh cead maith agat…I just would like to see people honestly trying to explore an issue from time to time rather than simply win an argument or name-call. But then I always was a bit simple-minded…

  33. MPG ..... May 20, 2014 at 3:13 pm #

    I read yours and a select few other blogs (BD links) each day. I have to say that I find them all very enjoyable and agree with the general thrust. Its enjoyable but time consuming for me but I can only imagine the degree of commitment from you especially (being so prolific) but others also. You are all making a difference! I note the subtle change and slight moderation of opinion of those of the “other side” and although they might not agree, there can sometime be a sort of acceptance. This is all good! These are small beginnings but from small…grow large…. i was an infrequent commentator on Horsemans blog in its heyday but refrain these days to the very occasional line or perhaps two. But be sure that I and others are in the background, reading enjoying, supporting. Keep the faith and press on with the good work.
    Many thanks to you all.

    • Jude Collins May 20, 2014 at 6:30 pm #

      Many thanks, MPG…And I’m beginning to think your point is the key one. I’ve just done a piece for the Queen’s (Univ.) Reconciliation site along those lines…

  34. Thomas Russell May 21, 2014 at 5:53 am #

    Forgive my tardiness, folks.

    Jude, many thanks for the blog, it’s an essential part of my day.

    It mightn’t look it at times, but I strongly believe reader’s thinking is shaped by reading & interacting with other contributors.

    I’m a little bit influenced by those I usually disagree with, Gio, An Gobsmacht, Norma. If my trajectory is changed by a third of one degree that seems inconsequential: but after a little distance that tiny change in trajectory is clearly a huge change – the difference between hitting the moon or missing by 500 miles, though at launch the difference was imperceptible.

    This is true in ways we, the subjects of change, might not realise. Likewise Tony Benn spoke of every human interaction making ripples that continue forever. We’re butterflies making storms somewhere, let’s keep at it. I’d quite like a United Ireland btw, so I’ll try to flap those butterfly wings in that direction.

    Let’s do it respectfully though, so William Fay, same respect to Gaelige as to French if you please. Disrespect is so, well, passe

  35. Thomas Russell May 21, 2014 at 5:54 am #

    Sorry for punctuation – damn touch screens will never replace proper buttons