In and out and gates and rogues

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Are the DUP and the UUP rogue political parties? After yesterday, there’s a case to be made that both are. Assuming that ‘rogue’ means acting with no regard for the law.  This shows in a number of ways. Take the killing of Jock Davison and Kevin McGuigan. Both these were brutal, violent acts – but while McGuigan’s death received fierce unionist attention, Davison’s was virtually ignored. That’s a rather selective way to be concerned about the breaches of the law both killings present.

Another example of dismissal of the law. The DUP and the UUP were galvanised into action – that is, quitting the Assembly – sort of – by the arrest of Bobby Storey and two other leading republicans. They didn’t wait to see if charges were brought or if the men were proven guilty. The arrests themselves were quite sufficient for the DUP to withdraw from the Executive. The fact that the arrests were made on the basis of no evidence is made clear by the fact that all three have now been released. Has this impacted on the DUP’s attitude? Not a whit. Arlene Foster was on the BBC’s The View last night and she essentially said that the fact that the men were arrested was sufficient grounds for the DUP drawing its skirts up around it and withdrawing from the room. Not guilt, not evidence – simply arrest. Once again, the DUP shows no respect for the obvious decision by the police that these men have no case to answer because there’s no evidence against them. Arlene also managed to project herself as a sort of Boadicea at the gate, warding off the rogues and renegades in Sinn Féin/SDLP ranks who might seek to harm the northern state in general and unionists in particular. It’s called the laager mentality.

We’ll pass lightly over Michael Nesbitt’s, um, odd behaviour and answers on The View and look at the genesis of this whole affair: the comments of the Chief Constable. It is from his words that this entire crisis has grown. So what did he say? That the IRA was now an entirely peaceful organisation, seeking to achieve its ends by political rather than violent means. He went on to say (was this his idea of balance?) that members of the IRA had killed Kevin McGuigan. The DUP and the UUP grabbed the second statement and totally ignored the first, since it wasn’t to their electioneering advantage. So we’re all in the political mess we are because the Chief Constable contradicted himself and unionist politicians seized on the part of the contradiction they liked and triggered the clusterfuck that is now Stormont. 

You may ask why a Chief Constable would issue such an irrational statement. Either he knew how it would be seized on by unionist political parties, in which case he is culpable for issuing it – without, as I say, any evidence of its truth. Or else he didn’t realise how it would be seized on, in which case he is the first Chief Constable here in decades not to be well-tuned to the sensitivities of the unionist parties.

Finally, two communications I received yesterday. One concerned the Chief Constable’s claim that members of the IRA killed Kevin McGuigan. Pointing to the fact that unionist politicians were seeking to punish Sinn Féin for this action,  my correspondent recalled how an attempt was made by the British Army to kill Eddie Copeland (one, incidentally, of the three men arrested and then released yesterday). Shouldn’t the British Army and the British government be punished for this attempted killing?

The second communication pointed out that today, the British House of Commons debates a bill  about assisted suicide. “For ninety-four years now this has proved to be a failed state. Isn’t it time to switch off the Six Counties’ life-support?”

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20 Responses to In and out and gates and rogues

  1. Neill September 11, 2015 at 8:57 am #

    So all of this is Unionism`s` fault have to say that is amusing in fairness and yet no mention of SF`s role in this or the austerity crisis have to hand it to you Jude if SF were handing out medals for one eyed journalism you would be a shoe in.

    • Jude Collins September 11, 2015 at 9:51 am #

      Which part of what I say do you disagree with and why, Neill. Let’s discuss things in a rational way.

      • Neill September 11, 2015 at 11:30 am #

        How can you expect to have a rational discussion when you place the blame entirely on unionism and yet in none of your blogs have you discussed the role of SF in this mess?

        • Jude Collins September 11, 2015 at 11:34 am #

          Maybe it’s with unionism the blame lies. Have you considered that possibility? Sinn Féin have been at the receiving end – they didn’t quit the Executive, they didn’t demand certain things before they’d continue negotiations. Read my blog again, neill, and tell me what part of it is untrue.

          • Neill September 11, 2015 at 11:42 am #

            Of course you would like to believe that Jude sadly for you that isn’t necessarily the case. Sf by backing out of the agreement which was signed in December had pushed Stormont to breaking point and then the two murders in summer time have pushed it over if you cannot accept that premise then its worthless having a rational argument with you.

          • Jude Collins September 11, 2015 at 6:51 pm #

            Ah no, don’t be like that, Neill. Be more precise when you talk of killings. ‘Two murders in summer time’ – given that unionist/loyalist paramilitaries have notched up some 80 killings since the GFA, maybe you could narrow things down a bit. SF has called the people who killed Jock Davison and Kevin McGuigan criminals, urged anyone with evidence to take it to the PSNI. Unfortunately, the PSNI appear to be too busy choreographing faux arrests for the DUP to bother with going after killers – certainly not unionist/loyalist killers. You did know about those 80, didn’t you, neill?

        • Ryan September 11, 2015 at 7:53 pm #

          Neill, Unionism has openly admitted that they knew all along that the PIRA existed. The SoS said she knew all along that the PIRA existed. The Irish Government knew all along that the PIRA existed. This is no surprise Neill. So why is Unionism getting its knickers in a twist and bringing Stormont to the verge of collapse? because an election is around the corner and also, in my opinion, they need distraction from the NAMA scandal, which is being investigated not only by Stormont but the British and US Governments. This isn’t Sinn Fein’s fault, its Unionisms as I’ve made clear to you.

          The Chief Constable has made clear that the PIRA are not active, are totally peaceful and committed to politics (unlike the UVF/UDA, which are still murdering, drug dealing, etc but that doesn’t stop the DUP/UUP forming the Graduated response with them and sharing platforms at Twaddell). If the PIRA were to disappear, vanish then it would create a vacuum that will be inevitably filled by other, more extreme republicans. Bertie Ahern, the former Taoiseach has made clear that it was better for the PIRA to exist because that vacuum would be filled.

          Remember back to the On the Run’s scandal Neill? The Unionist parties claimed they knew nothing about letters to OTR’s but yet such letters were mentioned numerous times in Unionists presence, it was even noted in Jonathan Powells book and that the DUP agreed with the scheme. The book was wrote around 2008.

          So you see Unionism is kicking up a fuss for their own agenda.

    • paddykool September 11, 2015 at 11:27 am #

      neill ..this has nothing to do with austerity.This is everything to do with fighting within unionism .No one else really cares about that but themselves..They have …between themselves… crashed this car while fighting over the steering-wheel to see who really should drive the car. Sinn Fein has stood back and let them get on with it. They have contrived some means to crash the damn thing without a shred of evidence that anyone else has done anything wrong.We all know that in every city in the world there are murders by criminals but they have to be arrested with sound evidence and put in gaol. There has been plenty of that here too and doubtless that will always be the case given that humanity always has been like this throughout time.
      So ask yourself , how many people have to be arrested and released without evidence or a trial before the UUP and the DUP get the picture that this hasn’t much to do with government and everything to do with violent crime on the street.

    • George September 12, 2015 at 8:00 am #

      Neil I would ordinarily agree with a lot of what you say in your posts – as you will know, there are not many of us from “our side of the tracks” posting on Jude’s blogs.

      However, on this occasion, I have to break ranks. As I have said before, from a purely political perspective, I really do not care if two former IRA men have murdered each other. As long as that is not a means of advancing Republicanism’s political objectives, in my view, that is a matter for the police to sort out.

      Whilst Peter Robinson and Mike Nesbitt may have suspicions and concerns about the linkage between whoever carried out the murder of Kevin McGuigan and Sinn Fein (and I note here that they strangely did not seem to give two hoots who murdered Jock Davidson), that is no reason whatsoever to collapse the institutions and leave us in this leaderless vacuum.

      Until such time as it can be proven that the IRA are once again rearming and gearing up to wage another war to further the cause of a United Ireland, Unionism has no mandate to leave the Executive. I do not believe that the Unionist parties are in touch with their electorate on this. When I speak to my friends in the pub about this and around the water cooler in the office, they cannot believe that they are doing this.

      I do agree that Sinn Fein are culpable to some extent in that they have irresponsibly refused to implement welfare reform. This has led to frustration and mistrust. But that is politics and should be sorted out in the normal political fashion – by discussion and negotiation.

      History will not look back kindly on us if Stormont collapses – the blame will be squarely pinned on Unionism and at the moment, I am struggling to find a way of saying that I disagree with that conclusion.

  2. billy September 11, 2015 at 9:52 am #

    we all know its a failed state but the brits aint going to let it go anytime soon,with the mood in england increasing about pulling out of europe the wilderness beckons,enough to drive you to drink its friday so ime off for a few pints.

  3. Séamus Ó Néill September 11, 2015 at 11:45 am #

    Neill ,since you seem to be gifted with the same psychic abilities as the hokey-cokey clowns , sorry ….Unionist leaders ,could you please explain to us what exactly is Sinn Féin’s role in this or what are you implying. Sinn Féin is a bona fide legitimate political party. There is a faux austerity crisis manufactured entirely by Tory billionaires in London and their little Unionist pawns are only too willing to try to please their masters by implementing unnecessary cuts….if London wants to save money ,begin with Trident…those unusable nuclear weapons, stop invading other peoples countries and make your business pals pay their proper taxes….Billions if not Trillions would be saved instantly !! Now Neill let’s get down to the real reasons for the shenanigans here…we could begin with an abhorrence of anything pertaining to equality ,move on to the ramifications of NAMA…..throw in a bit of ill-considered electioneering and finish off with both Robinson and Foster’s thinly veiled ” not a fenian about the place” insinuations last night….am I getting close ?

    • Neill September 12, 2015 at 7:54 am #

      The problem you and your fellow republicans have is a simple one is denial.

      You wish to be treated as democrats yet you still have a secret army which is still involved in criminality a good example of this is fuel smuggling in South Armagh an absolute heartland of Republicanism and yet some still claim the IRA have nothing to do with this which almost beggars belief almost.

      The time has come for SF to disown the IRA entirely and break up the organisation entirely something that should have happened years ago.

      Robinson and Foster’s thinly veiled ” not a fenian about the place” insinuations last night….am I getting close ?

      Would I trust SF and SDLP not to pull a fast one of course I wouldn’t! Remember when Mc Guiness got rid of the 11 lus

  4. Perkin Warbeck September 11, 2015 at 12:52 pm #

    As your final paragraph, Esteemed Blogmeister, namechecks the British House of Commons this enables one to neatly segue to an interview with one whose most cherished memories of his life in politics (according to himself) were spend in the resplendent ambiance of that very same Step-Mother of Parliaments on Thameside.

    Not-as-famous-as-he-would-like-to-be Seamas Mallon (he hasn’t gone away, you know !) was talking to (though ‘granted an audience to’ might be nearer the mark) Newstalk FM, a vital cog of the DOBlin media monopoly on Liffeyside.

    To say that the genuflecting fan with a microphone was awed to the point of being uberawed, one has but to draw attention to the difference in how his guest was welcomed and farewelled: ‘SM of the SDLP, former Deputy First Minister at Stormont, welcome’ and ‘SM of the SDLP, former First Minister at Stormont, thank you’.

    This is what,one supposes, might be termed Retro Promo of the Kow Tow, a benign variation of the fictional disease made famous by the ever wunnerful W.C. Fields: the Mogo on the Go-go..

    Sadly, while his eloquent enunciation of the German Queen’s English is not as bell clear as it once was, (due, alas, to his being compelled to speak by Anno Domini, presumably, through extremely loose-fitting falsers ) the Former Deputy/ First Minister was as forthright as ever, that is to say, as forthright as a highkicking lady camera person from Hungary.

    Donning his old high-laced brown football clogs from his days in the Ardvaark gansey (they haven’t gone away you know) he proceeded, with gentle though unnecessary prompting, to put the studs where they belonged. Firmly.

    Into the rear-end of Enda for unceremoniously dumping the SDLP (!) delegation on their bottoms down the front steps of Government Buildings yesterday? As it they were so many interlopers in the VIP Box in the Hogan Stand who had (in good faith) paid well over the odds for forged tickets from touts on Clonliffe Road.

    Well, actually, no.

    Into the posterior of the PSNI for releasing Bobby Storey? Still no, actually. In fact, the same name wasn’t even mentioned – a name which became a kind of bedside story featuring the Bogey Man in the FSS during the week. Purpose fulfilled. Bobby ‘End of’ Storey, you might say.

    No, where the bogball , oops, football clogs of the Former Deputy / First Minister were directed was where they have always been: the same target. The Armaget being the rump of Republicanism. Despite the neo-impenetrability of his once-legendary limpidiy, it was still just about possible to discern key words like ‘diesel’ and ‘money’ both linked by the l-word: laundering.

    Now, it is not clear if ‘The 4-Square Laundry’ was targeted, as it were, due no doubt to the lack of a laundry for less than spotless verbal delivery.

    Ceist / Quesiton: why the sudden reappearance of the Not-as-famous-as-he-would-like-to-be Seamas at this particular m.. in time, going forward.? Like some R.V. Winkle in winklepickers from the Sleepy Hollow of a dim and distant?

    Let us consider for the nonce the week that is in it: coincidentally, it was a week which was bookended by two fabled females of the Royal Toil-free Family. Diane, on account of the anniversary of her premature death; and Elizabeth, on her smashing of a Victorian record,

    -Hall !Hail the One who now wears the Seated on the Throne crown for the Longest Time (63 years 7 months ) in the G. Book of Records. Constipation once again !

    Mind you, the same Diane had her own term for Elizabeth: (gulp) Liz the Lizard.

    To quote: ‘The Queen Mother,now that’s a serious piece of wizardry. The Queen Mother is a lot older that most people think. To be honest, the Royal Family hasn’t died for a long time; they have just metamorphosised. It’s a form of cloning, but in a different way.

    They take pieces of flesh and rebuild the body from one little piece.Because it’s lizard, because it’s cold blooded, it’s much easier for them to do Frankenstein sh-t than it is for the rest of us’.

    (Pause button: the sh-t word is the only departure from the German Queen’s English).

    -‘Don’t think of such as Queen Victoria, the Queen Mother and Queen Elizabeth as different people. Think of them as the same person who after a while has had to replace her coat’.

    Despite -or, perchance, because of – the evidence just quoted this has presumably prompted the Former Deptuy/ First Minister (don’t think of them as one person) to wake from his one-eyed slumbers. He was, as he would be the first to deny (wink, wink) always one with an eye to the Main Chance.

    Liz the Lizard, after all, is in the habit of dispensing baubles on auspicious occasions such as the New Year and her own New Year, i.e. birthday. So, perhaps Sunningdale Seamas knows something the rest of us Loewe Lerners don’t know?

    Imagine the monarchist from Markethill being tapped on the shoulder ( even ancient invertebrates find it easier to bow the head and to bend the knee) and being told:

    -Arise, Lord James of Mallon Head.

    Wouldn’t it be loverly all the same if Not so Famous Seamus at last was saddled with a title which would formally acknowledge his right to, erm, do what he has always taken for granted, to look down on the rest of the mere Oirish?

  5. Iolar September 11, 2015 at 12:53 pm #

    The Emperor Unionism is not a pretty sight without clothes and Mr Nesbitt’s other ‘car crash’ interview on RTE last night confirmed he is out of his depth. His mask has slipped, with not even a fig leaf left to cover his hidden agenda.

    We were told the PSNI would follow evidence, to date ‘assessments’ appear to be leading some up the garden path, followed by command structures in military formation dancing to a tune composed by unelected political Haass beens.

  6. Belfastdan September 11, 2015 at 1:17 pm #

    I can’t see either of the Unionist parties agreeing to go back into power with SF. Mike and Pete are too busy playacting as which one of them has the biggest cojones in the Unionist camp. Come an election they will rip eachother to shreds.

    Gone are the days when any Nationalist has to prove their bona fides to sit at the top table. After all both main Unionist parties have never been too fussy about the company they keep especially when they need a bit of muscle for a graduated response or two.

    As for Arlenes “rogues and renegades” remark and her being left as a “gatekeeper” to protect the finances, one has only to look at the recently publish Parliamentary expenses table where Jim Shannon and Junior Paisley are top of the league in claiming over £500k between the two of them. No austerity there.

  7. Andrew September 11, 2015 at 1:41 pm #

    It’s definetly guilty until proven innocent….and then it will revert to guilty by being fingered by the PSNI. Sinn Fein are gaining ground, and like Corbyn, the Establishment are not in a mood for this type of Democracy. They just can’t get their snouts out of the political trough. It’s all about the usual suspects, make no mistake, Power, Greed and Money, plenty of Money.

  8. RJC September 11, 2015 at 2:07 pm #

    Tiocfaidh Arlene – and what does she say in her first public statement as *our* First Minister?

    ‘I have been placed there as a gatekeeper, to make sure that Sinn Féin and SDLP ministers don’t take actions that will damage Northern Ireland, and principally, let’s be honest, that damage the Unionist community in Northern Ireland. That’s not what the DUP is about; it’s about protecting the Unionist community in Northern Ireland.’

    Naked sectarianism. Nothing more, nothing less. What a foul and reprehensible woman she is, and what a disgraceful party of fascists the DUP are. Anybody who votes for them should be ashamed of themselves.

  9. Pat Mc Larnon September 11, 2015 at 6:12 pm #

    With 17 arrests and counting and no charges re the Mc Guigan murder it is safe to assume that PSNI intelligence on the case is not very good. It is further safe to assume that the intelligence that led to the initial assessment on the state of the IRA is not very good either.

  10. Ryan September 11, 2015 at 8:43 pm #

    Our acting First Minister stated on Live TV that she’s excluding from Minister posts the democratically elected representatives of tens of THOUSANDS of people purely due to their perfectly legitimate politics or is it because of their religion? She is in the DUP, after all….

    She then goes on to say she’s protecting the Unionist community, or in other words, she’s serving only one section of the community. That’s completely against what her job role is about, she’s meant to serve ALL of the community, not just Unionists.

    This naked sectarianism from the DUP shows why Unionism cant be trusted to run Government here alone and why they cant be trusted by Catholics.

    The problem with Unionism here, as noted by an Irish News article last week, is two fold. 1. The Unionist mind set which hasn’t changed much since the 17th Century, this Protestant Ascendancy mind set is a major problem to equality and progress here. 2. Unionism isn’t a real supporter of the peace process here, it wasn’t their idea, it wasn’t what they wanted and they certainly didn’t want Power sharing either, hence why they try to undo numerous agreements or cherry pick them.

    On another topic, the 3 republicans arrested by the PSNI were released unconditionally and Bobby Storey is suing for unlawful arrest. His Lawyer stated not one bit of evidence was presented against Mr Storey, so why was he arrested? especially in the midst of a political Crisis?

    I doesn’t take Einstein to work out that elements of the RUC are still in the PSNI. Peter Robinson knew about these arrests days before they happened. Who told him? and why did they tell him? and isn’t that against what the police is meant to do? It all stinks of the RUC.
    Those arrests of 3 republicans (with no evidence against them) was all set up to aid Unionism and gave them the excuse they wanted to do what their currently doing.

    Needless to say, the PSNI has some serious questions to answer. Are the PSNI really a new police force? Or the same old RUC? I’m finding it difficult to tell….

  11. sherdy September 11, 2015 at 8:57 pm #

    We are being told that Georgie Hamilton is ‘following the evidence’ in pursuit of the killer/s of Kevin McGuigan, presumably so we don’t get the idea its political policing.
    So far 17 people have been arrested, detained, questioned and then unconditionally released without any evidence apparently put to any of them, seemingly part of an elaborate fishing trip.
    Can it be anything but political policing, especially when Peter Robinson claimed to know last weekend that this week’s significant arrests would be made?
    He even came off with the ‘I told you so’ when they happened. I bet Georgie didn’t tell Martin McGuinness about the upcoming arrests!