A wonderful word that “differ” .Look at it ; doesn’t it look just a bit odd when you pull it out of context ? Words taken in isolation are wonderfully abstract things to look at , aren’t they? What about the word “agreement” sitting there too?
Agreement ? So what does it mean to you , eh?
Peter Hain, who used to be one of Norneverland’s long list of Secretaries of State ….thinks that in terms of realpolitik the very idea of “agreement” or “an agreement” is really only a bit of craic and isn’t , at bottom, really any kind of contract at all. To him…..he basically said this on the radio today, in relation to the St Andrews Agreement and I’ll suppose that would apply to the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement too or any other agreements , come to that,…. that agreements are really only a sort of high-faluting fudge to keep the natives quiet and malleable for short periods of time .They are not actually really binding.You might concur that they are not worth the paper they are written on or even the time wasted ,arguing the agreement out in the first place.That’s the impression that Peter haines left me with, but then I’ve lived long enough to see that politics in Norneverland, Ireland are all but unworkable because the small artificial state was set up in such a way to have inherent instability built into its very fabric.
Look up the word“agreement” in a dictionary and you’ll get a right old list of words to describe what an agreement is.There’ll be stuff like :
“accord”,” concurrence”, “consensus”, “harmony”, “accordance”, “unity”, “unison”, “concord”, “like-mindedness”, “rapport”, “sympathy,” assent”, “acceptance”, “consent”, “acquiescence”, “endorsement”, “confirmation”,”contract”, “compact”, “treaty”, “covenant”, “pact”, “accord”, “deal”, “bargain”, “settlement”, “concordat”, “protocol”, “entente”, “arrangement”, “understanding”, “pledge”,” promise”,” bond”……
Wow!! …..that’s quite a list isn’t it? An agreement has also been called things like :
“a negotiated and typically legally binding arrangement between parties as to a course of action”.
Now …let’s face a few hard facts .Some of those words might mean something to honorable and truthful people who might even have a full grasp of their mental faculties and who might even have a highly developed moral -code.On the other hand , an imbecile or otherwise mentally under-developed person , or one with dishonorable intent ,might not understand what this collection of words means at all, so they may as well be written in Greek, Latin or possibly even Gaelic. In that pre -“Use- Of -Reason” scenario, an agreement may as well be some nonsensical graphitto scribbled on a wall or on a passing train carriage.
In the real world of politics , agreements are the very stuff that allows society to rub along , but in the fantasy land of Norneverland , Ireland , words like “agreement” and its host of synonymns , are what is more likely ,quickly thrown into a bag and tied tightly, never to be opened or used.
The Democratic Unionist Party (DUP)have literally shown no understanding of what an agreement means .They might sign an agreement but they do not actually understand what it is for.Edwin Poots of the DUP said as much yesterday on the radio.He did not want to accept that several clauses in the St Andrews Agreement had not actually been agreed to when the document was signed , even though the Agreement was of a piece .It was whole cloth. What kind of nonsense is this for any astute politician to come out with, live on radio, unless he was sure that his potential supporters did not want to countenance the truth, the sharing of power or even the very idea of politics at all ? It’s hard to believe that any politician would leave himself without a negotiating position , like this, for any future in politics.Where did he expect to go from here?
In this respect, both Edwin Poots and Peter Hain are on the same page.The question that really needs asking is why would anyone want to attempt to negotiate any kind of agreement with people like that when they already know that the end results are null and void already?


Agreements are of their time,Harry. In the kingdom of the six counties, in the last century, we had a Good Friday Agreement. It was drawn up by all the Kissinger types and wide boys and shady PR boys that the English government could muster. It was put to a war weary people to vote on. It was not chewed over in public. Most of the populace never read it. Those that did were bamboozled. It was not accepted by the Duplicitious unionists but it was sold to both sides as a panacea – a cure for all aches and ills. It was backed and sold by snake oil salesmen the world over. That was it. The kingdom had voted. Peace,prosperity and parity would reign forever in a land of milk and honey. Nobody only ‘dissidents’ turned it down, advising of flaws and fudges. Their voice was drowned. Scroll forward to 2017 and rerun the GFA. It had 71% in 1998. What percentage would it get now?
I have to agree with what you are saying, fiosrach. The Good Friday Agreement and all of that was sold to a war-weary people as a salve .It was probably needed even though it was no more than a piece of stage-magic, of its time.So here we are now and we tried hard for an agreement to work and we know now that it can never work because agreements will never be respected.We know that , the british knew that before they started the ball rolling , as laid out in the above .The unionists have no inclination to make an agreement work and have shown us that they have proven to be improper and foolish partners in government. There have been so many scandals , so much racism …so much hatred …no desire for a bill of rights or fairness across the board .All these things are anathama to them …so what to do ? If they are voted for again , I still think that having anything to do with them would be pointless.
Well said fiosrach.
Are saying don’t vote Harry ? This is a convoluted quagmire with a thousand dimensions. The RHI scandal may be the biggest financial crisis in the states history. But boy, has England suckered us big time.
Well Britain have always been in the business of suckering us , moser . They like to use the unionists to help them do that while hanging on to our own lands .Keeping unionism sweet is part of the deal so they are not about to act as policemen should unionism renege on any promises.
It is not only unionism that have reneged on promises Harry.
As I have said before, it is not even in the DUPs gift to restore Stormont irrespective of their vote.
The disgusting abuse of the national security veto on truth and justice from british state murders must also be addressed before there can be any return to devolution.
Direct rule needs to face the unrest and dissatisfaction of nationalist Ireland head on like a kick in the teeth.
So true Harry.
Was it Perfidious Albion or gullible Paddies? I think, as Jessica would say, that as many as possible should vote this time and make it clear to Sinn Féin that this is it – this is the last time.
…but how many “last times” can we stand, foisrach? On what basis would anyone go into an Executive with the DUP, If they will nor respect any agreement? Who will police them?
I would agree with fiosrach Harry.
I couldn’t bring myself to vote for Stormont last time out, it had failed in my eyes long before the recent revelations and arrogance over RHI.
I will be voting for Sinn Fein in the upcoming elections, but for me it is based on the promise repeated by Martin McGuinness tonight on TV, that there will be no Stormont executive and no return to the status quo before all outstanding issues are resolved including the british state denying evidence and justice on the farcical basis of national security and not only genuine respect towards republicans from the DUP.
That is the basis I will be voting for them on, I will never forgive them if they don’t keep their word.
This is not a promise they can get away with breaking.
A success in this election for me will be if we see the end of sectarian politics and there is a noticeable increase in protestant votes for Sinn Fein.
I would like to see Sinn Fein do more to help working class loyalist areas but if there has been no effort made whatsoever from either the UUP or DUP towards reconciliation or respect for views other than pro union, no reciprocation from the electorate in this regard and the Sinn Fein project will have been proven to have failed beyond all doubt and the next generation will have to travel a new road.
I’m just thinking that if Arlene gets back with an increased vote then she can rightly claim that she and the DUP have been vindicated. That it was a lying campaign orchestrated by the media and the other parties to do Her Highness down. I just want PSF to get a massive vote and then refuse to re-enter any arrangement with unprincipled hillbillies until they are quarantined and wear sackcloth and ashes. I would also make them swear that they accept that the earth is not flat and is millions of years old and Irish will be the official language from now on.
Is that all you want , fiosrach? Are they to have lobotomies first? how is this personality change to be brought about?
A lot of watery nationalists and letsgetalongeristsatanyprice do not believe how intransigent and arrogant these people are. The younger generation laugh at us oldies and say catch yourselves on. They tell us that that stuff is all in the past. Well this might show them that it’s not. That we’re still dealing with 16th century thugs and land thieves who go by the yardstick if we can do it then it’s ok.
Why is anyone surprised? If I’m not mistaken the DUP never signed on to the GFA in the first place. That says it all IMHO.
It’s like we’re in some twilight zone or, a Machiavellian wonderland. How did we get here Harry ? LOL.
You said it best yourself Harry ‘”Norneverland”.